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Cheddar · 07-18-2012, 05:23 PM

Damn what a tease!

Wix · 07-18-2012, 05:25 PM

Beautiful!!

cobrabyte · 07-18-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheddar

Damn what a tease!

I've checked in a few times today and it's been comical to watch what's going on in this thread.

I quite like the tiny handouts and teases… it sure makes for a better build-up. Also, were people thinking this thing would be tuned in a matter of minutes, or an hour or something?

For whoever wants the full enchilada: check back Monday.

Visconti · 07-18-2012, 05:30 PM

Monday LOL

I'll be in FL on Sunday.

Do or die today baby

white devil · 07-18-2012, 05:32 PM

where in Florida? time for a tune?????

Visconti · 07-18-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by white devil

where in Florida? time for a tune?????

Getting a GTR ready for a little get together ... I'll be there all week

cobrabyte · 07-18-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Visconti

Monday LOL

I'll be in FL on Sunday.

Do or die today baby

Damn, you get around!

Looking forward to what you guys can do with this platform.

SnapOv3st3r · 07-18-2012, 05:38 PM

The engine doesn't seem to move that much, that's good.

SVTSHC · 07-18-2012, 05:38 PM

Opposed · 07-18-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Visconti

Monday LOL

I'll be in FL on Sunday.

Do or die today baby

I like your style kid!

NYC BRZ · 07-18-2012, 06:03 PM

Now I'm home hitting refresh...damn. This is not good.

Coheed · 07-18-2012, 06:42 PM

Kit looks pretty robust and well thought out. Here's hoping for the best Don.

Chewie4299 · 07-18-2012, 06:47 PM

I had a couple of thoughts... it's very nice that this kit requires no cutting BUT if someone weren't to mind doing so how does this sound?

-Replace battery with small, lightweight version and relocate either somewhere else in the engine bay or to the trunk.
-Flip the filter over to the stock battery position and house it in a custom airbox to protect from the heat of the engine bay.
-Remove the passenger side 86 emblem on the fender and cut a port to the airbox.
-Replace with louvered type scoop (not huge) facing forward feeding directly into the airbox.

I'm no expert but it seems to me like the turbo would be far more efficient if the air being fed to the compressor was cooler and denser. Seems like this would lead to reaching desired boost quicker (possibly not noticably) and reducing air temps post-compressor due to lower start temp....

Does that seem like sound theory? What are folks' thoughts on this?

Scoop would be something along these lines but obviously facing forward as the goal is not to expel are but to gather it and obviously designed to look decent in that position on the car.

nix · 07-18-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewie4299

I had a couple of thoughts... it's very nice that this kit requires no cutting BUT if someone weren't to mind doing so how does this sound?

The closed airbox and battery relocate is a good plan, even feeding it with fender or other sourced cold air but there's really no need for ram scoops etc on a FI engine.

MikelJ · 07-18-2012, 06:56 PM

Great idea about the location of the filter but really why is it so important for "cold air" to be taken into the turbo. It is getting cooled for density and all by the intercooler after it is heated from the turbo anyway.

Chewie4299 · 07-18-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nix

The closed airbox and battery relocate is a good plan, even feeding it with fender or other sourced cold air but there's really no need for ram scoops etc on a FI engine.

The airbox was my initial thought. I then connected that to the vent idea as opposed to just sucking engine bay air into the box. Seemed to me like it would defeat the purpose.

Coheed · 07-18-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MikelJ

Great idea about the location of the filter but really why is it so important for "cold air" to be taken into the turbo. It is getting cooled for density and all by the intercooler after it is heated from the turbo anyway.

The temperature increase from compressing air is somewhat exponential. PV-nRT is basic physics. If you compress 100* air and it becomes 120*, compressing air at 110* could end up being 135*. How is the intercooler going to cope with the extra 15* of heat?

The density of the air going into the turbo has a large impact on the efficiency of the system. You will never be able to cool the air enough with the intercooler to make up for the lost density, because no intercooler is 100% efficient.

Chewie4299 · 07-18-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coheed

The temperature increase from compressing air is somewhat exponential. PV-nRT is basic physics. If you compress 100* air and it becomes 120*, compressing air at 110* could end up being 135*. How is the intercooler going to cope with the extra 15* of heat?

The density of the air going into the turbo has a large impact on the efficiency of the system. You will never be able to cool the air enough with the intercooler to make up for the lost density, because no intercooler is 100% efficient.

This was the inspiration for my train of thought.

fred_boosted · 07-18-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Chewie4299

The airbox was my initial thought. I then connected that to the vent idea as opposed to just sucking engine bay air into the box. Seemed to me like it would defeat the purpose.

Good idea, I think a heat shield would good enough. Air box is a over kill and cost $$$

slaxx · 07-18-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MikelJ

Great idea about the location of the filter but really why is it so important for "cold air" to be taken into the turbo. It is getting cooled for density and all by the intercooler after it is heated from the turbo anyway.

It's a snorkel intake for fording right? Rally fans take notice

SnapOv3st3r · 07-18-2012, 07:07 PM

Nothing wrong with starting with cooler air from outside the engine bay rather than in it. Every little bit counts. A heat shield compartment would be ideal rather than a full box. I would rather have an air duct in the hood right there.

KamalT · 07-18-2012, 07:08 PM

Where the foglights are, how about opening an air vent in there to force feed into an enclosed box

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Cheddar Saving them pennies... Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Miami, FL Posts: 598 Thanks: 37 Thanked 151 Times in 101 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Damn what a tease!

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Wix Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Toyota Location: Alabama Posts: 27 Thanks: 20 Thanked 14 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Beautiful!!

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white devil Go Gators! Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: FRS White-out Location: Gainesville, Fl Posts: 294 Thanks: 205 Thanked 90 Times in 63 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	where in Florida? time for a tune?????

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SnapOv3st3r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 400whp Location: TN Posts: 897 Thanks: 248 Thanked 156 Times in 107 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The engine doesn't seem to move that much, that's good.

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Coheed Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Super Sentra Location: SLC Posts: 739 Thanks: 161 Thanked 156 Times in 114 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Kit looks pretty robust and well thought out. Here's hoping for the best Don.

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MikelJ Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: FR-S Location: Tennessee Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Great idea about the location of the filter but really why is it so important for "cold air" to be taken into the turbo. It is getting cooled for density and all by the intercooler after it is heated from the turbo anyway.

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SnapOv3st3r Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 400whp Location: TN Posts: 897 Thanks: 248 Thanked 156 Times in 107 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nothing wrong with starting with cooler air from outside the engine bay rather than in it. Every little bit counts. A heat shield compartment would be ideal rather than a full box. I would rather have an air duct in the hood right there.

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