Good Winter Driver while the Scion is parked - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Faulkner · 02-11-2019, 10:32 PM

As the title suggests, I park the FR-S for the winter and drive the text book definition of a beater (‘06 Taurus) while she’s stored away. Well the Ford likely won’t see another winter (because it’s pushing 200k mi and I’m ready to be done anyway). For a winter car, and just a second car I can enjoy in contrast to the Scion, I’ve been looking at the WRX, GTI and Fiesta ST. I know these aren’t all in the same class, but they appeal to me for varyied reasons, AWD, modern comforts, lightweight fun. But putting all those individualities aside, has anyone ever driven one? Which of the three will give the most enjoyable drivers experience with a good set of winters and some snow on the ground? Or better yet is there a another car I should be looking at? Of course price is a limiting factor but right now I’m all ears

nikitopo · 02-12-2019, 12:42 AM

GTI and Fiesta ST are not AWD. Only the WRX.

chaoskaze · 02-12-2019, 01:13 AM

If you want easy daily just get one of the new cars with radar guided cruise control with lane assist. All you do is turn on cruise control & watch it follow some car till you are home, you just need to turn the steering wheel. Even all new toyotas have it, HYBRID COROLLA or the weird AWD Prius. Balling at 55+ MPG minimummmm.

Faulkner · 02-12-2019, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo

GTI and Fiesta ST are not AWD. Only the WRX.

Yeah I know that thanks. I am just looking to see if anyone has experience with these cars and what their recommendations would be. Of course AWD would be a lot of fun, but I can survive with FWD. I meant: WRX = AWD, GTI = cozy interior, ST = lightweight

Tcoat · 02-12-2019, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Faulkner

Yeah I know that thanks. I am just looking to see if anyone has experience with these cars and what their recommendations would be. Of course AWD would be a lot of fun, but I can survive with FWD. I meant: WRX = AWD, GTI = cozy interior, ST = lightweight

Why go all the way to a WRX/GTi/ST for a winter car? Not like you need that level of performance. Everybody here likes to focus on the performance cars when there is nothing wrong with a base Impreza, Golf, or Fiesta when looking at a winter able vehicle. You can pick any of those up used for a very reasonable price.

StraightOuttaCanadaEh · 02-12-2019, 09:43 AM

I actually enjoy driving my wife's 5 door Mini Cooper. It's just a base with a tubo 3-cyl but pretty damn rapid due to short gearing and plenty of torque from down low. In sport mode it's a hoot, and never let me down in a snow storm. I bet the S version (or since you prefer AWD, the ALL4) would be lots of fun. They're torquey cars, always like a puppy straining at the leash. Can't really beat the stylish interior and they come with a manual.

DarkPira7e · 02-12-2019, 10:13 AM

200k on a Ford is not the same as 200k on other makes/models. I'd still consider a used beater car that seems to have been cared for. The old 93-2001 Impreza chassis is fun to drive in the winter, just keep a backstock of calipers.

SleeBrzz · 02-12-2019, 12:41 PM

I drive a 04 Celica GTS for winter and it's absolutely amazing. 6 speed, 8k redline and has the same driver feel as the 86 platform. Also, they are fairly affordable for a winter car. If the Celica is too small for you the 03-06 Matrix XRS also has the same engine/trans for that hatch feel.

Leonardo · 02-12-2019, 12:56 PM

Budget?

I have owned my Honda Ridgeline for 14 years and put 200k miles on it. I have two friends who have bought one after driving mine. It's AWD and has 4-wheel locking capabilities, so better than just AWD.

WRX's are cool, but can they drive through several feet of water if needed? Just saying...

Pedro13 · 02-12-2019, 01:06 PM

Not related to any of this fun cars you mention, but if you reconsidered have a "Winter Beater" I recommend you a very cheap and reliable car: Toyota Corolla 2001. Is my beater and so far after two years of commute in winter something around 50 Km's each way, with a minimum maintenance (oil changes, new battery, good snow tires) the car still being a reliable transportation and some how "fun" to drive, while my '86 is waiting for spring...My two cents.

bfrank1972 · 02-12-2019, 01:46 PM

I think he wants cheap, reliable and fun for the winter, emphasis on fun. I'd vote for an old WRX bugeye wagon, although may not have all the modern creature comforts. Or maybe an old R32?

qcbaker · 02-12-2019, 04:32 PM

1. Buy a second FR-S
2. Put 16" steelies and Blizzaks (or other high quality winter tire) on it
3. ????
4. Profit

ls1ac · 02-12-2019, 04:42 PM

How about an older Subaru {not BRZ} got some room inside most last a while, not too expensive, good traction. Evan can pull a small trailer.

daiheadjai · 02-12-2019, 06:46 PM

I'm really enjoying my 2008 Honda Fit 5spd.
Great shifter for an econobox, as well as surprisingly-good handling.
With the 5-speed, keeping up/ahead of traffic is a breeze. You can also put on winter tires on either 14" or 15" wheels. Getting 29+ MPG in winter driving, with mostly city-driving.

02-11-2019, 10:32 PM	#1
Faulkner Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Drives: FR-S Location: Michigan Posts: 21 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Good Winter Driver while the Scion is parked As the title suggests, I park the FR-S for the winter and drive the text book definition of a beater (‘06 Taurus) while she’s stored away. Well the Ford likely won’t see another winter (because it’s pushing 200k mi and I’m ready to be done anyway). For a winter car, and just a second car I can enjoy in contrast to the Scion, I’ve been looking at the WRX, GTI and Fiesta ST. I know these aren’t all in the same class, but they appeal to me for varyied reasons, AWD, modern comforts, lightweight fun. But putting all those individualities aside, has anyone ever driven one? Which of the three will give the most enjoyable drivers experience with a good set of winters and some snow on the ground? Or better yet is there a another car I should be looking at? Of course price is a limiting factor but right now I’m all ears

02-12-2019, 01:13 AM	#3
chaoskaze The Fail Boat Join Date: Aug 2011 Drives: CWP S.B. Location: LasVegas Posts: 3,028 Thanks: 4,718 Thanked 1,293 Times in 873 Posts Mentioned: 19 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If you want easy daily just get one of the new cars with radar guided cruise control with lane assist. All you do is turn on cruise control & watch it follow some car till you are home, you just need to turn the steering wheel. Even all new toyotas have it, HYBRID COROLLA or the weird AWD Prius. Balling at 55+ MPG minimummmm. Last edited by chaoskaze; 02-12-2019 at 01:45 AM.

02-12-2019, 09:43 AM	#6
StraightOuttaCanadaEh Wes Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: Artisan Spirits '17 86 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,806 Thanks: 1,182 Thanked 1,682 Times in 999 Posts Mentioned: 21 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I actually enjoy driving my wife's 5 door Mini Cooper. It's just a base with a tubo 3-cyl but pretty damn rapid due to short gearing and plenty of torque from down low. In sport mode it's a hoot, and never let me down in a snow storm. I bet the S version (or since you prefer AWD, the ALL4) would be lots of fun. They're torquey cars, always like a puppy straining at the leash. Can't really beat the stylish interior and they come with a manual. __________________ Instagram: @gt86ws

02-12-2019, 12:56 PM	#9
Leonardo Country Boy 4 Life Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 19' & 06' Ridgelines, 13' FR-S Location: EUGENE Posts: 5,228 Thanks: 6,719 Thanked 5,292 Times in 2,720 Posts Mentioned: 47 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Budget? I have owned my Honda Ridgeline for 14 years and put 200k miles on it. I have two friends who have bought one after driving mine. It's AWD and has 4-wheel locking capabilities, so better than just AWD. WRX's are cool, but can they drive through several feet of water if needed? Just saying... __________________ I LIKE TIRES!

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SleeBrzz Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Drives: 2013 Subaru Brz Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 32 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 9 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I drive a 04 Celica GTS for winter and it's absolutely amazing. 6 speed, 8k redline and has the same driver feel as the 86 platform. Also, they are fairly affordable for a winter car. If the Celica is too small for you the 03-06 Matrix XRS also has the same engine/trans for that hatch feel.

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Pedro13 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Drives: Toyota 86 Location: KW, Canada Posts: 56 Thanks: 180 Thanked 30 Times in 22 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Not related to any of this fun cars you mention, but if you reconsidered have a "Winter Beater" I recommend you a very cheap and reliable car: Toyota Corolla 2001. Is my beater and so far after two years of commute in winter something around 50 Km's each way, with a minimum maintenance (oil changes, new battery, good snow tires) the car still being a reliable transportation and some how "fun" to drive, while my '86 is waiting for spring...My two cents.

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qcbaker Shitpost Generator v8.6 Join Date: Jun 2018 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 359 Thanks: 216 Thanked 416 Times in 211 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	1. Buy a second FR-S 2. Put 16" steelies and Blizzaks (or other high quality winter tire) on it 3. ???? 4. Profit

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