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blu_ · 07-13-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by WTF

Is yours the same? I am just wondering if someone else can check they too have a hole there?

I caught that they didnt do it the day after I bought the car and fixed it. In theory though the described symptoms in the OP could be explained by this.

There are just two plastic plugs near the rear of the car that need to be installed during PDI or moisture can get into the rear subframe.

R8 · 07-13-2012, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blu_

I caught that they didnt do it the day after I bought the car and fixed it. In theory though the described symptoms in the OP could be explained by this.

There are just two plastic plugs near the rear of the car that need to be installed during PDI or moisture can get into the rear subframe.

Why aren't they installed by the factory?

WTF · 07-13-2012, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by R8

Why aren't they installed by the factory?

^^ This..

and how did you manage to notice it the day after you got the car? Only reason we noticed it was when removing the stock suspension to fit coilovers.

Mark

blu_ · 07-13-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by R8

Why aren't they installed by the factory?

Good question but they don't. It has something to do with how the car is transported. They are usually sitting in your glove compartment from the factory. And putting them on is part of the pdi doc.

Sportsguy83 · 07-13-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by R8

Why aren't they installed by the factory?

Because those holes are used to transport the car to the dealer.

blu_ · 07-13-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WTF

^^ This..

and how did you manage to notice it the day after you got the car? Only reason we noticed it was when removing the stock suspension to fit coilovers.

Mark

Hey buddy. The reason I noticed it was because other people who were some of the first to take delivery had the same issue. So I looked under my car in May and saw they were not installed. If you actually care about the truth you cAn look at my posts from then and see that I mentioned this then

blu_ · 07-13-2012, 09:37 PM

But I guess you can assume its a Subaru conspiracy.

|-Goku-| · 07-13-2012, 10:02 PM

So, just so everyone that reads this knows..there should be a rubber plug where that hole is, correct?

aznsensazian · 07-13-2012, 10:05 PM

This was informative. Thanks for the heads up. My dealership did not put the rubber pieces in during PDI. I just put it in now. And its been raining here in Atlanta and I've put 4500 miles on the car already. Hopefully no rust is present!

Thunderchicken · 07-13-2012, 10:20 PM

Things like this are missed when the PDI people don't read all off the documents of what is required and management is swooping like a hawk... is it done yet... is it done yet... is it done yet... I have a customer waiting so hurry the hell up...

Snoopyalien24 · 07-13-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunderchicken

Things like this are missed when the PDI people don't read all off the documents of what is required and management is swooping like a hawk... is it done yet... is it done yet... is it done yet... I have a customer waiting so hurry the hell up...

Your username is worthy of an internet

Lee358 · 07-13-2012, 10:39 PM

ok so those rubber pieces in the bottom will keep water out of that area but the hole in the trunk above the strut is ok? right?

blu_ · 07-13-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aznsensazian

This was informative. Thanks for the heads up. My dealership did not put the rubber pieces in during PDI. I just put it in now. And its been raining here in Atlanta and I've put 4500 miles on the car already. Hopefully no rust is present!

For some reason dealers seem to be too incompetent to do this. I sincerely hope that this is the reason the OP has the issues that he has mentioned. I really wouldn't worry about rust on you car from this though.

Asterisked Accolade · 07-13-2012, 10:55 PM

What this reminds me of is the 240SX notorious strut tower rust issue. I see this issue leading to premature rusting.

|-Goku-| · 07-13-2012, 11:12 PM

Can we get a picture of what it's supposed to look like?

blu_ · 07-13-2012, 11:21 PM

You will need to find someone with a lift or jacks, but it should be doable. The holes are on the side of the vehicle, by where you would look for the rear jack points. IIRC they about a foot or two from the front of the rear tire. They are obvious if you are looking for them. The plugs are about 4" long and 2" wide.

Lonewolf · 07-13-2012, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by |-Goku-|

Can we get a picture of what it's supposed to look like?

X10000. Yeah, pics from a dealer or someone who found the plugs in their trunk or glovebox would be nice.

|-Goku-| · 07-13-2012, 11:47 PM

What I want to know is, are there plugs for the hole that the OP posted.

we are talking about two different holes here(thats what she said)

WTF · 07-14-2012, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by |-Goku-|

What I want to know is, are there plugs for the hole that the OP posted.

we are talking about two different holes here(thats what she said)

Yeah I am confused, where are the stoppers supposed to go? from someone elses description they said they dont fill the hole that I took a picture of.. So I am still confused.

and lol@that's what she said.

|-Goku-| · 07-14-2012, 03:25 AM

I know that some people are referring to this hole on the underside of the car, and that during PDI, it should be installed. But my question is, if this hole is capped like it should be, does this still prevent water from getting inside like the OP is referring too?

WTF · 07-14-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by blu_

You will need to find someone with a lift or jacks, but it should be doable. The holes are on the side of the vehicle, by where you would look for the rear jack points. IIRC they about a foot or two from the front of the rear tire. They are obvious if you are looking for them. The plugs are about 4" long and 2" wide.

So the plug doesnt actually go where the strut top damper adjustment is in my pictures, the water is actually coming from a problem further underneath the car?? hmm this could mean there is water settling in the subframe and finding its way to the strut top?

When I wrote this, I assumed that maybe there was something missing where the camber adjust goes, but it seems it may be an even larger issue? :S

blu_ · 07-14-2012, 10:32 AM

Yes, if its because they didnt put those plugs in, then it would mean water has been accumulating in your subframe and the mosture starting accumlating up there.

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blu_ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: SWP BRZ LTD Location: Portland, OR Posts: 911 Thanks: 625 Thanked 164 Times in 102 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	But I guess you can assume its a Subaru conspiracy.

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\|-Goku-\| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2011 Civic Si Location: Boise, ID Posts: 256 Thanks: 51 Thanked 77 Times in 50 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So, just so everyone that reads this knows..there should be a rubber plug where that hole is, correct?

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aznsensazian Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 1991 Nissan 240sx Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 103 Thanks: 3 Thanked 56 Times in 16 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This was informative. Thanks for the heads up. My dealership did not put the rubber pieces in during PDI. I just put it in now. And its been raining here in Atlanta and I've put 4500 miles on the car already. Hopefully no rust is present!

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Thunderchicken Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2008 STi Location: Texas Posts: 99 Thanks: 0 Thanked 22 Times in 18 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Things like this are missed when the PDI people don't read all off the documents of what is required and management is swooping like a hawk... is it done yet... is it done yet... is it done yet... I have a customer waiting so hurry the hell up...

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Lee358 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: nissan frontier, DGM MT BRZ Location: North nj Posts: 1,290 Thanks: 333 Thanked 291 Times in 195 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	ok so those rubber pieces in the bottom will keep water out of that area but the hole in the trunk above the strut is ok? right?

07-13-2012, 11:12 PM	#37
\|-Goku-\| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2011 Civic Si Location: Boise, ID Posts: 256 Thanks: 51 Thanked 77 Times in 50 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Can we get a picture of what it's supposed to look like?

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blu_ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: SWP BRZ LTD Location: Portland, OR Posts: 911 Thanks: 625 Thanked 164 Times in 102 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You will need to find someone with a lift or jacks, but it should be doable. The holes are on the side of the vehicle, by where you would look for the rear jack points. IIRC they about a foot or two from the front of the rear tire. They are obvious if you are looking for them. The plugs are about 4" long and 2" wide.

07-13-2012, 11:47 PM	#40
\|-Goku-\| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2011 Civic Si Location: Boise, ID Posts: 256 Thanks: 51 Thanked 77 Times in 50 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What I want to know is, are there plugs for the hole that the OP posted. we are talking about two different holes here(thats what she said)

07-14-2012, 03:25 AM	#42
\|-Goku-\| Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: 2011 Civic Si Location: Boise, ID Posts: 256 Thanks: 51 Thanked 77 Times in 50 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I know that some people are referring to this hole on the underside of the car, and that during PDI, it should be installed. But my question is, if this hole is capped like it should be, does this still prevent water from getting inside like the OP is referring too?

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blu_ Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: SWP BRZ LTD Location: Portland, OR Posts: 911 Thanks: 625 Thanked 164 Times in 102 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yes, if its because they didnt put those plugs in, then it would mean water has been accumulating in your subframe and the mosture starting accumlating up there.

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