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[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by JakeRogue

How big a deal is this end link thing?

Depends on the climate, I took my OE off after ~3 years of not being touched and driven year round for ~45k miles, zero issues, California climate.

Originally Posted by BoxCarRacer

The rear endlinks are at a pretty ridiculously lousy angle. I had called Eibach about it and they say that they are FINE. All that accomplished is make me think Eibach is a little more clueless than they let on.

The more suspension companies you talk to, the more research you end up DIY'ing... which is my polite way of saying I don't trust any of 'em.

And that's not to say they're all crap, it's just whatever they sell comes with caveats that aren't always obvious.

[dradernh]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

The more suspension companies you talk to, the more research you end up DIY'ing... which is my polite way of saying I don't trust any of 'em.

This is an example of how a qualified race shop can help you: less BS, not wedded to any particular producer, focused on data and facts gleaned from decades of real-world experience, etc., etc.

The race shop I've favored in the past will use appropriate parts, from any manufacturer/producer/supplier, and the shop charges their cost + 10% for those parts. The focus is on making you and the car faster, and not milking you like a worn-out cow ready for the glue factory.

Always spend your hard-earned money wisely, and take the claims of manufacturers with at least a grain of salt. As to the latter point, I've found Essex Parts' expositions on brake kits and their components to be among the best available online. Would that every manufacturer could, and would(!), provide facts and data in as in-depth a manner as EP does. Full disclosure: I've reviewed an EP kit (for another platform, and with no punches pulled), and received a 19% discount on that kit for doing so.

[Imp]

Originally Posted by JakeRogue

How big a deal is this end link thing?

Got snow, roadsalt or salty humid air?

--kC

[M0nk3y]

My god. I’m surprised CS and DS twins didn’t bitch about this issue.

And you wonder why people make fun of SSC


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[cjd]

Originally Posted by M0nk3y

My god. I’m surprised CS and DS twins didn’t bitch about this issue.

And you wonder why people make fun of SSC

To be fair, I think it's mostly the rear swaybar links I hear the most noise about, and most people didn't have adjustable bars there before. The car was also not lowered at all.

Those two things change things slightly... at least as far as people worried about stress on the endlinks.

As for ease of removal, yeah. That hasn't changed. It's no better, in my experience, with aftermarket. So on the whole, I'm still just as surprised as you are.

[14stu]

Originally Posted by M0nk3y

My god. I’m surprised CS and DS twins didn’t bitch about this issue.

And you wonder why people make fun of SSC


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The street classes can change endlinks along with their swaybar. SSC is the only class that doesn't allow you to change endlinks when you change your swaybar.

Street has to keep the stock endlinks with the stock bar for whichever they don't change, but if you aren't swapping an endlink it doesn't matter if it is too rusty to remove.

[jorober5]

To be fair, in two national events, I've heard very little complaints from the people competing in the class.

The philosophy from SCCA on this is to take a "wait and see" attitude before allowing aftermarket endlinks. If the links aren't actually needed, then they don't want to raise the price of entry. *IF* they start breaking then the allowance will be made. I asked about a spare because I thought a $25 insurance policy was cheap and easy.

We all agree that the setup isn't optimal but we are all on the same setup. If you get frustrated about fixing setup issues one at at time I'm guessing STX is more for you. If you want to put the kit on and drive, come on out! I'll see you in Blytheville :-)

Jonathan
#21 SSC

[chkltcow]

Well at least they fixed some peoples' biggest complaints and the stickers are no longer blue. WHEW... glad to see that change pushed through.

[Imp]

hen they don't want to raise the price of entry. *IF* they start breaking then the allowance will be made.

The way I look at it is most non temperate climates will have to replace them anyways when doing the job. I'd rather have used that money towards good ones than oem replacement that will have the same issues.

--kC

[tony_r]

If you're using soft on the rear sway you're doing it wrong anyway. It's no big deal.

[jorober5]

Originally Posted by tony_r

If you're using soft on the rear sway you're doing it wrong anyway. It's no big deal.

With the show you are putting on out in Fontana I don't think anyone will argue with you on setup I'm assuming this means you are also on stiff for the front bar?

[tony_r]

Originally Posted by jorober5

With the show you are putting on out in Fontana I don't think anyone will argue with you on setup I'm assuming this means you are also on stiff for the front bar?

Haha, thanks. At soft/hard, full stiff shocks. Works well at this site, probably at other lower grip asphalt lots as well. Rear toe is a big deal on these cars, going from 1/8" total in to 1/4" made a very noticeable difference in stability.

[Briankbot]

Originally Posted by tony_r

If you're using soft on the rear sway you're doing it wrong anyway. It's no big deal.

I've been waiting for someone else to say this. Second data point: The winning car at the Ft. Meyers Pro had the both bars set to stiff.

[jorober5]

Originally Posted by Briankbot

I've been waiting for someone else to say this. Second data point: The winning car at the Ft. Meyers Pro had the both bars set to stiff.

While that's a useful data point, the fastest car on the left course in Ft. Myers (me) had both bars on soft. I couldn't get it done on the right and ended up third. It will be interesting to see where everyone ends up but I'm not sure there is a definitive answer just yet. It could be course and/or driving style dependent, or it could end up being clear, but I'm not sure we know *for sure* just yet. It appears Tony is well ahead of the curve on testing so he may feel there *is* a definitive answer!