Check engine light just came on after 2k miles.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by danthedirt

Actually after looking over the manual again, its the Slip indicator light that is stuck on. The same light that comes on when your TS and SC kicks in.

In the manual in the fine print reads:
If indicator does not turn off within a few seconds of starting engine, there may be a
malfunction. Have vehicle inspected by your Scion or Toyota dealer.

Im going to update my OP.

ON most Denso ECU cars, the VSC and TRC will turn off if the ECU is in diagnostic mode (check engine) so that the throttle is more reliable without intervention. THis is normal when the engine has issues.
It has nothing to do with malfunction of the VSC/TRC modules, as it is OFF only because the ECU is throwing a check code.

It does this on my LS430 and Sienna too, when I trigger a code myself. Hasn't happened to my FRS but I am sure it is the same case.

Also, as far as the core cause of what might be happening. There are MANY MANY reported cases of bad/polluted gasoline that causes injection system issues, especially GDI equipped cars. It might not be the car itself but the bad batch of gas. Even a well-known brand like Chevron and Shell, sometimes have stations that have water in the tanks or pollutants like rusty bits or other leaks, that get introduced to the tank. Might want to look into that too, if the check code is related to intake system or injection systems, or something off on the KNK or O2 sensor readings that are causing the light.


My buddy had the said thing happen to him with a 4 months old Toyota Venza GDI 4 Cyl. Intake manifold pressure became abnormal and O2 went off the charts as fuel system got clogged. It was traced to fine particles of rust in the tank and pollutants in the gasoline, which could only have come from a gas station pump. Upon tracing it with fuel station, it turned out that there were 4 other claims at the same station for the same issue...
Toyota normally will not warranty it in that case, and he basically had the gas station and Chevron pay him back for all repairs and rental car costs for the weeks his car was missing at diagnostics. Check the last fuel pump you used and ask for the gas station's fuel supplier and contact. Oil companies are really quick to pay for any damages, as this is a drop in the bucket to them, really... Just in case.

[Hanzo]

I've been using Shell premium since my 1st tank of gas from 3 different Shell stations so i don't think that's the problem.

[danthedirt]

Just got a call from my Service Rep. First off he said that he called their headquarters and got me approved to upgrade my loaner car sine the FR-S is so new. Stuck at work, so that'll have to wait till tomorrow. HE said they have a Toyota Rep on site that is overseeing the work as well, and the SR ensured that they we're doing everything they could to get my FR-S back to me. Went on to tell me that they won't be able to get parts till Mon at the earliest. I then asked if he could provide me with the codes they were pulling off my car. the SR said that there are some standard codes that comes up but the one that the Toyota Rep was interested in was the code that they kept pulling off, evening after clearing in out.
P0019

I feel better knowing that Toyota has getting involved with my service, and i know with all the issues they've had the last few years (acceleration, floor mats, etc.) they are going to do whatever it takes to get this resolved. Despite that though I'm going to reserve judgment till I get my car back from them and put a few hundred more miles on her.

[Mishimoto]

Originally Posted by danthedirt

Just got a call from my Service Rep. First off he said that he called their headquarters and got me approved to upgrade my loaner car sine the FR-S is so new. Stuck at work, so that'll have to wait till tomorrow. HE said they have a Toyota Rep on site that is overseeing the work as well, and the SR ensured that they we're doing everything they could to get my FR-S back to me. Went on to tell me that they won't be able to get parts till Mon at the earliest. I then asked if he could provide me with the codes they were pulling off my car. the SR said that there are some standard codes that comes up but the one that the Toyota Rep was interested in was the code that they kept pulling off, evening after clearing in out.
P0019

I feel better knowing that Toyota has getting involved with my service, and i know with all the issues they've had the last few years (acceleration, floor mats, etc.) they are going to do whatever it takes to get this resolved. Despite that though I'm going to reserve judgment till I get my car back from them and put a few hundred more miles on her.

Good to know they are concerned about the issue and taking steps to handle it. Keep us updated, hang in there.

[Lonewolf]

P0019 TOYOTA - Crankshaft Position Camshaft Position Correlation Bank 2 Sensor 'B'

Lasermon and danthedirt have had almost the same exact code so far.

I think the other one was P0018...(Sensor "A" instead of "B")

[Spaceywilly]

Here is the page of the service manual that correlates with P0019. Not sure there is anything in there that will help you at this point but it might give you some good reading materials while you wait to get your car back

[Max Schnell]

Service manual seems to indicate VVT related to the oil control, ECM or the gear itself. I read the list of tests and its basically your standard process of elimination. Service tech is going to have to manually go through each test to try to eliminate the possible causes.

looks like the cause of code is based upon the intake or exhaust cam being out of permitted operating range for certain periods of time as read by the sensors.

[Spaceywilly]

yeah it seems like the most likely cause is the cam being off by a tooth.

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

yeah it seems like the most likely cause is the cam being off by a tooth.

I highly doubt that.

[Hanzo]

Just got back from driving around, it's 108 degrees outside and the chirping noise seems to come on and off at different stop lights and sometimes disappear during idle all together (when I pulled into my garage). Wonder if there is anything temperature related. I'm going to go out and drive some more to see if it comes back or not. BTW I now have 1360 miles.

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

yeah it seems like the most likely cause is the cam being off by a tooth.

Unlikely. It couldn't make it out of the factory that way. It is likely an issue with the VVT control (metal chip in the OCV, for example).

[barney]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Unlikely. It couldn't make it out of the factory that way. It is likely an issue with the VVT control (metal chip in the OCV, for example).

I would suspect one of two faults - either the oil control valve is stuck on or the actuator on the end of the intake cam is not returning to the rest position at idle. The result would be way too much overlap at idle-hence the poor idle quality. I've seen this with Hondas. We had a bunch of bad VTC actuators which would not move freely on the end of the cam. The only other thing that could set that code is a stretched timing chain - highly unlikely.

[Hanzo]

Nope still chirps but much less than before. Still have the single chirp during driving condition.

[xcelir8brz]

The chirp started today for me at 1900 miles in my 6AT BRZ. Geez!

[danthedirt]

Update: (7-2-12) Service Rep just called me to give me an update. Reaffirmed that Toyota Rep is onsite overseeing everything. Good to know that corporate is so hands on with these early issues. They are basically replacing everything that relates to the error code. So that includes new cam gears, sensors, valves, solenoids, and new ECU. If everything goes as expected my car will be ready by tomorrow afternoon. Toyota is going to keep all the parts and inspect them all to see if they can determine the issue, which isn't so reaffirming.

Basically it sounds like they still haven't found out what is causing the issue, and are going to replace everything in hopes that the issue will be resolved. Hopefully my old parts can provide some insight as too what the problem is, and they can find a quicker solution for all the other folks that seem to have the same issue....

I love being a beta tester for a 25k purchase!!! /sarcasm
My friends all did try to warn me though...

[MrFRsLa]

Damn sounds like the cams....

[Vracer111]

Just another data point. I had the check engine light come on while doing my track day a few weeks ago. Friend had an OBD2 scanner and read a P0019 code. The engine was running a little rough and making a little more noise at idle than normal. He cleared the code and engine went back to normal. Proceeded to do 2 more sessions on track with zero issues, engine check light has not reappeared either some 300+ miles later. If engine check light comes back on and the symptoms reappear I will probably get it looked at, but I just attribute it to a glitch from running it hard on track for now... P0019 can mean different things, and a temporary condition could set it off.

[Buggy51]

@Moto-P, any info from your end?

[brieweb]

Originally Posted by barney

Typically in Toyota products when there is a cel some or all of the sub-sytems may shut down, depending on the fault - ie abs, vsa, tcs, 4wd etc. Its beginning to look like there are issues with variable valve timing related components on the early production run of these engines. The fix seems simple enough - but do NOT ignore cel's. On a Honda, for instance you could end up with a CKP/CMP out of phase code - the precursor to a timing chain jumping and resulting in bent valves!

Is FR-S engine an interference type and does it have a belt or a chain?

[JohnnyP]

Originally Posted by the_3d_man

Dealerships are always so quick to say that the ECU must be defective. I've NEVER seen a car with a bad ECU. They don't just fail but I know so many people who in the process of trying to diagnose a problem have had the dealership replace the ECU. It's just the answer that dumb service techs like to give.

As a Toyota tech, I can tell you they DO just fail. In fact, one of Toyota's last "joint ventures" with Chevrolet resulted in an ECU Recall for the mid 2000 generation Corolla's and Matrix's. These car's had Delphi ECU's which failed regularly, hence the recall.

I think that a possible concern in this case is that the ECU in the Fr-S is so advanced that it may have "learned" some aspects/features/functionality of an engine that isn't running 100%. I think most of us know that ECU's learn how an engine is running and make adjustments accordingly. The ECU may or may not be bad, but by replacing it they also have an ECU to inspect for a possible problem AND they can give the OP some level of assurance by replacing items that offer even a small chance of causing the problem.

Is Toyota "shot gunning" this case by replacing all components possibly related, sure they are. If it was your car would you want to return 5 different times to replace each one individually, I doubt it. If they can find the problem from the parts removed, and the OP doesn't need to pay for any of the parts/labor than I don't see a problem here.

I assure you that at this point Toyota is making the calls for this repair, not the techs at the shop. Toyota is deciding what they want to replace, the shop just pics the tech to work on it. And if it's any consolation, I would say they probably have one of their best guys on it.

[JohnnyP]

Originally Posted by brieweb

Is FR-S engine an interference type and does it have a belt or a chain?

Timing is chain driven, but I don't know if it;s interference or not.

[thill]

Originally Posted by danthedirt

Update: (7-2-12) Service Rep just called me to give me an update. Reaffirmed that Toyota Rep is onsite overseeing everything. Good to know that corporate is so hands on with these early issues. They are basically replacing everything that relates to the error code. So that includes new cam gears, sensors, valves, solenoids, and new ECU. If everything goes as expected my car will be ready by tomorrow afternoon. Toyota is going to keep all the parts and inspect them all to see if they can determine the issue, which isn't so reaffirming.

Basically it sounds like they still haven't found out what is causing the issue, and are going to replace everything in hopes that the issue will be resolved. Hopefully my old parts can provide some insight as too what the problem is, and they can find a quicker solution for all the other folks that seem to have the same issue....

I love being a beta tester for a 25k purchase!!! /sarcasm
My friends all did try to warn me though...

While this sucks at least Toyota is being very responsive. As a previous VW owner I can tell you I did not get this level of service when I was a beta-tester, I mean owner, of a 1999 VW Jetta VR6 the first year those were released.. My car would sit for weeks with no update and I got nothing but attitude and arrogance from multiple dealers and VW Corporate was useless. Nice, but useless...