Price of Boost

[Synack]

Hello, I suppose this is my first post on here but it is an important question because it could make or break my decision to get an FR-S or BRZ.

Once these turbo kits get made and the other kits that follow, S/C and possibly twincharge kits as well, they are going to have a price, obviously. What can we expect it to be?

Now I've driven a few different cars and depending on the make of the car and how expensive it was and including vendors thinking how elite the car might be, the price of boosting your vehicle can vary.

I had a Cobalt SS a few years ago and the price to boost those, the non boosted ones, was as low as $1500-2500. Reasonable for the type of car. Domestic and a relatively inexpensive car. And people were easily making ~350whp.

I also owned a Nismo 370Z and my god every vendor thought that car was god's gift to man. So turbo kits were $6,500-11,000. Supercharged kits were $6,500-8,500. In my opinion those are ridiculous prices and even if it is a JDM vehicle, it shouldn't matter. The turbos were making 450-600whp and the S/C was making 350-475whp.

Finally, I currently own a new Camaro SS (same price as a Nismo 370), and I believe the boosted prices are back to being reasonable again. There don't seem to be any vendor issues even though the car has a huge following of people that think it's amazing. The turbo kits are ~$6000. Supercharged kits are ~$4500. Numbers might be off a tad bit but these are almost HALF of the 370Z prices.

So what do you all think we will be seeing for the FR-S/BRZ in terms of pricing for boost? Personally if I can hit 300-350whp I will be extremely happy. It would only take 235whp to have the same exact power-weight ratio as my 370 and maybe 245 for the Camaro. Those numbers should be easily obtained by any form of boost.

Thanks all!

[arghx7]

low volume sports car bro. do the math.

[Matt Andrews]

mark up is one thing, but the cost of hardparts is tough to get around. compressor, manifold, intercooler/aftercooler, down pipe, random pipes and couplings are the obvious parts. But unknowns on this car are how much power the clutch will hold, exhaust diameter needed, injectors, engine control. Not to mention oil and water temperature control.

Any time I've ever boosted a car, the costs are way more than the "kit" you buy.

[Synack]

Originally Posted by Matt Andrews

mark up is one thing, but the cost of hardparts is tough to get around. compressor, manifold, intercooler/aftercooler, down pipe, random pipes and couplings are the obvious parts. But unknowns on this car are how much power the clutch will hold, exhaust diameter needed, injectors, engine control. Not to mention oil and water temperature control.

Any time I've ever boosted a car, the costs are way more than the "kit" you buy.

Yes absolutely. You have to upgrade other parts to make sure stuff doesn't break and performs properly. I'll personally have no problem with that part of the costs. I am just curious as to the initial price of the kit. I've already got someone to install and tune for me so that's a plus. I was thinking $3,000 might be a reasonable price for a kit. I mean it is just a single turbo after all, so there's not a lot of hardware.

Basically with what I currently owe I can get up to $10,000 cash if someone buys my Camaro for the reasonable price I'm selling it for. So I'm thinking I'll want to have that money to blow on the turbo kit, tune, upgraded parts, wheels, suspension, and a proper aftermarket body kit.

[wcbjr]

Originally Posted by synacks

Basically with what I currently owe I can get up to $10,000 cash if someone buys my Camaro for the reasonable price I'm selling it for. So I'm thinking I'll want to have that money to blow on the turbo kit, tune, upgraded parts, wheels, suspension, and a proper aftermarket body kit.

10,000 would get you a proper body kit, that's about it. Welded and painted fenders are not cheap.

[Synack]

Originally Posted by wcbjr

10,000 would get you a proper body kit, that's about it. Welded and painted fenders are not cheap.

Lol well maybe I'll stick to just F/R bumpers and skirts before I jump into that. I'm more concerned about power output.

[wcbjr]

Originally Posted by synacks

So what do you all think we will be seeing for the FR-S/BRZ in terms of pricing for boost? Personally if I can hit 300-350whp I will be extremely happy.

300whp will probably take ~12psi on a properly sized turbo. And it doesn't look like the stock internals will take that much abuse. So save money for a built motor.

[Synack]

Originally Posted by wcbjr

300whp will probably take ~12psi on a properly sized turbo. And it doesn't look like the stock internals will take that much abuse. So save money for a built motor.

That slightly concerns me but doesn't seem out of reach. That's unfortunate if stock internals can't handle 300whp.

[wcbjr]

I sure hope the motor can take the abuse, nobody has any concrete info yet. Or at least info they have shared with the public.

[Synack]

Originally Posted by wcbjr

I sure hope the motor can take the abuse, nobody has any concrete info yet. Or at least info they have shared with the public.

I'm willing to bet that it should. 300whp is not a high number on a 2.0L motor.

[uspspro]

Originally Posted by synacks

I'm willing to bet that it should. 300whp is not a high number on a 2.0L motor.

It's not really about the abuse of 300 whp, it's the sky high compressions ratio, and trying to control detonation. With the direct injection, presumably the detonation threshold is higher, but boosting the FA20 is really unknown territory at this point. If you were willing to add methanol injection, sounds like something in the ballpark of 300 whp could be feasible.

[Synack]

Originally Posted by uspspro

It's not really about the abuse of 300 whp, it's the sky high compressions ratio, and trying to control detonation. With the direct injection, presumably the detonation threshold is higher, but boosting the FA20 is really unknown territory at this point. If you were willing to add methanol injection, sounds like something in the ballpark of 300 whp could be feasible.

Had meth in my Cobalt. Loved it. Wouldn't mind doing it again.

[dabocx]

The price is going to depend alot on the volume of kits they sell and the difficulty of the R/D which i think will end up being quite high.

Still id expect something in the 5-6k range, thats what it cost to get a Quality made kit for the 8th gen si. Alot of people went with the 3k-4k kits but so many ended up selling them for a quality kit from Full race or SSA.

[mastertech86]

i can definitely say from experience you get what you pay for. if you want a quality build that will last years without problems and as a bonus impress other ppl expect to pay. my tC build (in my profile) total costs before built motor (cause i wanted more power) was right around 6K. i have a friend with a tC as well who wanted to go cheaper and payed around 2500-3K and i daily drive my tC spirited an hour each way for a year on stock motor problem free. him, well he is on his 3rd turbo, intercooler piping has been replaced due to poor fitment and hitting the road on dips, piggyback management been replaced twice due to software failures...the list goes on. yea there are ppl who go the cheaper route and do perfectly fine but it comes down to this when you do that..... are you feeling lucky??

end result? im gonna be buying the FRS and selling him my turbo build for his tC...in the long run, although it was cheaper at first, he paid just about the same as i did except i didnt go through the headaches and down time he did

[ryude]

In my experience, boosting an NA car is very expensive. If you have to "budget" a kit, then you can't afford boost. You have to be able to buy it without even asking the price, because you WILL have problems and it WILL be expensive.

[Boosted2.0]

Expect prices similar to the Nissan prices you quoted for anything worth having.

[arghx7]

Originally Posted by ryude

In my experience, boosting an NA car is very expensive.

unless it's a single cam EG chassis Civic...

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by synacks

Hello, I suppose this is my first post on here but it is an important question because it could make or break my decision to get an FR-S or BRZ.

Once these turbo kits get made and the other kits that follow, S/C and possibly twincharge kits as well, they are going to have a price, obviously. What can we expect it to be?

Now I've driven a few different cars and depending on the make of the car and how expensive it was and including vendors thinking how elite the car might be, the price of boosting your vehicle can vary.

I had a Cobalt SS a few years ago and the price to boost those, the non boosted ones, was as low as $1500-2500. Reasonable for the type of car. Domestic and a relatively inexpensive car. And people were easily making ~350whp.

I also owned a Nismo 370Z and my god every vendor thought that car was god's gift to man. So turbo kits were $6,500-11,000. Supercharged kits were $6,500-8,500. In my opinion those are ridiculous prices and even if it is a JDM vehicle, it shouldn't matter.

Originally Posted by arghx7

low volume sports car bro. do the math.

To arghx7's point - no volume sales here.... niche pricing for a niche market, especially in the begining. A properly and fully tested setup...I bet it's going to be slightly north of Z's prices you listed.

[Synack]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

To arghx's point - no volume sales here.... niche pricing for a niche market, especially in the begining. A properly and fully tested setup...I bet it's going to be slightly north of Z's prices you listed.

I seriously doubt it'll be more than the Z...... Even less people boost the Z than will for this car and the kits for the 370 are all twin-turbo and made by huge name companies. GReddy, GTM, etc. I agree with whoever said 5-6k range. And I'd definitely pay that, personally. But anymore than that seems to be overkill. Just my .02

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by synacks

I seriously doubt it'll be more than the Z...... Even less people boost the Z than will for this car and the kits for the 370 are all twin-turbo and made by huge name companies. GReddy, GTM, etc. I agree with whoever said 5-6k range. And I'd definitely pay that, personally. But anymore than that seems to be overkill. Just my .02

I would agree depending on HP gain and how long in market. Brand new out of the gate is going to cost.... Over time maybe different.

[Zgrinch]

I just read this post over on the Perrin ECU tuning thread. This is exactly what I am talking about. Don't expect the first ones to be cheap, because you are going to be disappointed.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=122

[Synack]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

I just read this post over on the Perrin ECU tuning thread. This is exactly what I am talking about. Don't expect the first ones to be cheap, because you are going to be disappointed.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=122

Absolutely, it's always like this. I wouldn't be surprised to see a decent $3,000 kit 4-5 years down the road.