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04-07-2017, 07:36 PM | #43 | |||
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Every 3 or 6 months we go through this exercise... Here's some facts for you to digest:
The point is, OP didn't lose coverage, he just may not be eligible for it. On that note... I need to make a correction to my post above. OP is technically not eligible for coverage and it has nothing to do with his parts. It has to do with the tech and the interpretation of the part(s) being repaired. P0018 involves a bad sensor. Part of the diagnosis process eventually leads to other sensors and the ECU, but the first part is that a sensor is bad. If someone looked at it from the approach that it was a sensor issue, his car is long beyond the warranty coverage period for that (electronics are NOT covered under the Powertrain warranty). Standard bumper to bumper is 3 years or 36k miles, and electronics are under the base warranty and not powertrain. So after all said and done, OP is mad over nothing. His repair wasn't even covered... https://www.subaru.com/owners/vehicl...ties-2016.html |
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That was my point.
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FYI. The ECU IS covered under the warranty and my ECU was replaced 2x during the repairs. Here is a clip and paste from the manual for proof from the limited power train warranty: Engine Cylinder block and head and all internal parts, timing gears and gaskets, timing chain/belt and cover, flywheel, valve covers, oil pan, oil pump, engine mounts, turbocharger housing and all internal parts, super charger housing and all internal parts, engine control computer, water pump, fuel pump, seals and gaskets. The cam sensor is also covered under warranty
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Hmmm Just remember Japan has much better fuel than places like California 91 or Australian South Africa or lots of places in Asia. Here is a log of a STOCK car on STOCK tune south Africa fuel, out Australian fuel is about same ie crap. Knock correction of over -3 degrees and also note the IAM is 0.2 http://www.datazap.me/u/steve99/sout...2-20-28&solo=2 versus a tuned car http://www.datazap.me/u/steve99/e85-...11-13-15-20-26 I know which one I would prefer :-) |
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Was the motor pulled? 6 grand seems kinda high.
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What the heck do those charts mean? Lol. Which one is good, which one is bad?
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That stock tune s africa car must have been a slug.
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Actually, federal law mandates that the catalytic converter(s) and engine control computers for vehicles 1995 and newer are warrantied by the vehicle manufacturer for 8 years or 80,000 miles (whichever occurs first) from the original in service date of the vehicle. On those 2 items, it does not matter what the original bumper to bumper or powertrain warranty periods are, because they are covered regardless.
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The second chart is the aftermarket tune. FLKC and IAM look much better in that log, so that shows the engine is running much better (and safer) given the poor quality fuel in SA. These are simplified explanations but there's a lot of detailed information in the links in steve99's signature. Check them out if you're trying to learn more.
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Are the 2 tunes on the same car and same fuel quality? |
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No not same car
one stock on stock tune other with header and tune etc. The point was to demonstrate that the stock car on the stock tune is not that good, especially on fuel of lower quality than whats found in Japan. and that you can have a modded car with a tune, that runs way better than the stock tune. but you can tune out the knock on a stock car on our fuels and get a car that runs better smoother and with slightly more power. unfortunatly most people add a header when they get tune. here is a car on same quality petrol as first car but on modded tune with header, again IAM now one, its not constantly getting significant knock correction like stock tune, doesnt run super rich high rpm like stock tune. note on the stock tune log the 02 sensor is only scaled down to 12.1 afr that why the afr measures flat line on stock tune compared to the commanded afr. In the tuned cars the 02 sensor is rescaled to read correctly down to 10 afr. http://www.datazap.me/u/steve99/jj-a...zoom=2469-2658 Stock cars run super rich (well 2012-2016, they sorted this out on the 2017 it runns about 12.3 afr not 10.7 like the older tunes stock). If you want to see the true afr on a stock tune car you need to use tailpipe 02 sensor. below is stock car dyno with tailpipe afr measurement Last edited by steve99; 04-08-2017 at 07:44 PM. |
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I understand the warranty is frustrating. I have been through a couple warranty issue with my 2013 as well. (axle nut, clutch pedal, HPFP) Luckily I got those covered without too much hassle.
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I cant understand how this is a fair comparison..
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Those aren't my logs so I can't comment much other than steve99 said they were from a stock tune car in South Africa where the fuel quality is apparently piss poor. Combined with the hotter temperatures there I can believe that log. A few years ago Toyota South Africa was one of the first regional locations to release a TSB/reflash for detonation resulting from the aggressive stock transient ignition timing these cars used to come with. Their low grade fuel must really expose bad tunes quickly.
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