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02-18-2017, 12:03 AM | #15 | |
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The lack of power in the 86 is likely the cost of meeting emissions and mpg numbers. Most cars under 50 grand will have compromises, because the investment needs to show reasonable returns to ensure the longevity of production. |
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What's being black have to do with it?
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I rekon the real question is how can the twins reinvent themselves and provide a broader offering? If you take a page from the Porsche playbook,it's strip it out and add a few performance parts. I rekon there is a case for a more stripped out 86, removing about 150lbs (basic stereo, back seats gone and maybe some otehr lightweight stuff) and possibly adding bigger/better brakes and maybe a factory oil cooler. Slap that as a 'trd special with some horsepower badges and we got a seller. Adding power is not as simple as the DIY garage adding a blower for an OEM manufacturer. I rekon it is not so much about ruining the car, but moreso that it takes a lot more to design it well. Maybe in the next referesh we will see more power. Does anyone know the specifics of the Toyobaru agreement wrt when it expires, or power etc? |
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The AP1s had a base MSRP of $32,300 (2001), or roughly $42,500 in 2013 money. The '13 FR-S had an MSRP of $25,600...That's $16,900, or basically a brand new base corolla, in price difference. Spare everyone that comparison. The S2000 was in a different price bracket from the get go. Less than 5 years from its demise Toyota/Subaru released a car that's damned close in real world performance, with a hardtop, for significantly less money. |
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The way I have always ready this statement is the following:
"What was created was a balanced equation. Any changes to any one part required changes to the whole." In that sense, I get why power could ruin the car. As it is, the car really only needs an oil cooler and possibly brake ducts to run a 20 min HPDE session (2017 PP). I honestly don't know many other cars that close. Also, it is pretty competitive in Solo AutoX, out of the box in Stock and Street Touring. All of this while being cheap to own, maintain, and fun to drive. With that stated, thinking about adding power means it no longer works on the track needs cooling. Brakes need to be bigger. Not as safe with the 215 tires, and bigger tires/rims are more expensive. While I understand this can be a never ending conversation, I believe I get the intent of the statement, and I think I agree. |
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I don't see adding 40 or 50 hp/torque without wheel, tire, brake upgrade etc. My car will burn the tires off with just an e85 flash.
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if the car didn't have the torque dip, nobody would have ever complained about power. however it's easily tuned out with a proper header thus providing a cheap option to keep all parties satisfied.
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Go drive one with a exhaust and tune and tell me how that's "ruined".
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