Vendors posting sales price

[Zoomie]

Wow dude, 28 years in the military a decent college education and you jump immediately to insults? I look at prices to see what fits my budget for a purchase. I am not a zit popping 16 year old scratching coins from the couch, nor am I likely to purchase a set of Fikse for my BRZ (when received). Although I am a person of reasonable means. I own and have owned a number of new sports cars including Porsches, Lotus and Italian bikes and have a Mooney to comute in. I'm not interested in games! Be polite,look the guy in the eye and tell him what you will or will not do! A lot of questions could be minimized by not saying PM me. I am not a merchant, but I am a customer of 49 years, if you want to alienate your customer base game him or let him think you're gaming him and yeah, I think PM'ing for a price may convey that.

[pyro530]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Generally I agree, but there really are situations where a reseller cannot post prices below a certain level, as was explained in another thread. That is why, for example, some sites require you to add an item to your cart before they show you the sale price, because its below a minimum advertised level.

^^This. I work in eCommerce and a lot of times we can't advertise a %off or price. So we have to do MAP busters where you see the "add to cart to see price" or "see price at checkout." I would discourage having vendors post prices because then they have to meet MAP or IMAP pricing rules.

[SkullWorks]

you guys are campaigning to not get good pricing.

what makes an idiot an idiot is when you explain something, in clear language, and they deny the obvious,

Bottom line it has been laid out for people, PM'ing someone doesn't mean you commit to purchase, if you are too lazy to save money, that's your deal but don't campaign for higher pricing on the forum, I'd prefer if the collective ignorance didn't affect everyone.

Zoomie, Thank you for your service, for our freedom.

Please read and understand what has been posted, do you really want the mods to effectively lock vendors into selling all products at or above MSRP/Minimum Advertised Price, the vendors are trying to cut people breaks to encourage new customers, why would you want to screw that up, you don't have to buy or even PM the guy if you don't want to,

[|-Goku-|]

So Skullworks. Are you saying that I am an idiot because I would rather not have to PM the vendor to get the price?

I understand completely why the vendor would rather not, but if a vendor wants MY business(not lumping anyone else in with this) then I need to see a price in the post.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by |-Goku-|

So Skullworks. Are you saying that I am an idiot because I would rather not have to PM the vendor to get the price?

I understand completely why the vendor would rather not, but if a vendor wants MY business(not lumping anyone else in with this) then I need to see a price in the post.

To sell a part. You have to sign a contract stating you will stay within the MAP rules per that company.

An example:
If I went and posted the MAP pricing at $590 a wheel. You would say oh that costs to much. And move on to something cheaper. If you pm'ed me. You would have found that I was willing to sell it for much less but could not post the price on the thread.

I find it hard to think that you would rather spend 25% more on parts then send a simple PM to a vendor.

You guys are circling the wagons for higher pricing. I don't mind. Just means I make more money since I do not have to give a discount. I would now have to sell at the posted price.

I want to give out deals. Not sell at msrp or map.

I guess the people that can PM will get the better pricing.

[|-Goku-|]

Originally Posted by vividracing

To sell a part. You have to sign a contract stating you will stay within the MAP rules per that company.

An example:
If I went and posted the MAP pricing at $590 a wheel. You would say oh that costs to much. And move on to something cheaper. If you pm'ed me. You would have found that I was willing to sell it for much less but could not post the price on the thread.

I find it hard to think that you would rather spend 25% more on parts then send a simple PM to a vendor.

You guys are circling the wagons for higher pricing. I don't mind. Just means I make more money since I do not have to give a discount. I would now have to sell at the posted price.

I want to give out deals. Not sell at msrp or map.

I guess the people that can PM will get the better pricing.

Like I said, I completely understand why you guys do this. I'm just saying, that for me personally, if I don't see a price in the post, then I just move on.

[Zoomie]

All I ask is, post a price. You can discount for whatever reason you choose (everybody but Zoomie & |-Goku-| discount!) The problem is folks attempt to use a MAP type enviroment as a reason for not ever posting prices in any ad they place. It appears to be a business approach some have chosen to follow and with that I heartily disagree. Lastly, if a business chooses to sell at a higher price than other firms, because of the PM thing then discerning customers will likely vote with their currency.

[Zoomie]

Sorry Goku, kinda kicked you to the curb on the discount thing! Sometimes I'm all velocity, no heading control...

[|-Goku-|]

hahaha, It's all good

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by vividracing

To sell a part. You have to sign a contract stating you will stay within the MAP rules per that company.

An example:
If I went and posted the MAP pricing at $590 a wheel. You would say oh that costs to much. And move on to something cheaper. If you pm'ed me. You would have found that I was willing to sell it for much less but could not post the price on the thread.

I find it hard to think that you would rather spend 25% more on parts then send a simple PM to a vendor.

You guys are circling the wagons for higher pricing. I don't mind. Just means I make more money since I do not have to give a discount. I would now have to sell at the posted price.

I want to give out deals. Not sell at msrp or map.

I guess the people that can PM will get the better pricing.

Good to know.

And for folks like us, who don't have selling agreements to worry about (because we make our own stuff), we can post our prices on the forum.

Each way is good.

[Dave-ROR]

How about simply posting "Retail: $1,000,000.00 but pm me for special pricing" (yes talking about jdm parts obviously) ?

That would at least give people the ballpark range. The only time the pm for price has annoyed me was the wasting of my time just to find out the item costs way more than I felt it was worth.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

That would at least give people the ballpark range. The only time the pm for price has annoyed me was the wasting of my time just to find out the item costs way more than I felt it was worth.

This is why I think most people don't like the "PM for Price" thing. I'm sure a lot of people want to ballpark a price to see if there's even a possibility it'll fit in their budget. It seems to me that vendors would get more bites if they posted the MSRP and then said "PM for OUR price!" That way they know that the price will be below what they see. If the MSRP isn't anywhere near their budget, they won't bite, but they probably wouldn't have bitten in the first place. BUT if the MSRP is just outside their budget, they will be more likely to bite.

Frankly, I usually balk when I don't see a price. Usually "special pricing" isn't low enough below other vendors to bother.

[eikond]

I agree with Draco..

If I were advertising on the forum, I would list the MSRP, but then state that the member should PM for a "forum member specific deal" or something like that. It would come across as a "special" discount. You prime the member for the higher price, then show them a lower price and they think they are getting a great deal.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

This is why I think most people don't like the "PM for Price" thing. I'm sure a lot of people want to ballpark a price to see if there's even a possibility it'll fit in their budget. It seems to me that vendors would get more bites if they posted the MSRP and then said "PM for OUR price!" That way they know that the price will be below what they see. If the MSRP isn't anywhere near their budget, they won't bite, but they probably wouldn't have bitten in the first place. BUT if the MSRP is just outside their budget, they will be more likely to bite.

Frankly, I usually balk when I don't see a price. Usually "special pricing" isn't low enough below other vendors to bother.

This is pretty much the same rules that some of the other forums have. We're happy to abide by that. Matter of fact, I'm going to go add pricing to all of our sales posts right now.

[Fascist Fish]

People are saying the MAP is why people aren't posting a price, but if its "pm for price" what keeps the people who would bust them for selling below MAP from sending them a pm and getting there lower price and taking away there contract for selling below MAP?

where I stand is closer to what Draco said. I want to know if the part is in the ballpark of something I want for the price. I get annoyed at having to ask just to find out something is out of what i consider the range of cost to return. Half of my pm box is filled with asking people for pricing. It doesn't have to do with instant gratification, it has to do with understanding if an item is obtainable.

I agree with a "pm me for possible discounts" idea. that gives both camps options, you can know about where the price of the part is, but the reseller who wants to make business by under cutting other can still get that done.

Thank you vividracing for adding prices to your posts without having to be told. thats a stand up thing to do. And I agree its the way most forums conduct there business so there is a reason for it.

And to close, you don't go to a brick and mortar store and they write "see cashier for price" on there products. It just makes me feel like the places are kinda shady when they make me ask for a price to everything.

[Dkittrell]

Originally Posted by i3izzy

People are saying the MAP is why people aren't posting a price, but if its "pm for price" what keeps the people who would bust them for selling below MAP from sending them a pm and getting there lower price and taking away there contract for selling below MAP?

where I stand is closer to what Draco said. I want to know if the part is in the ballpark of something I want for the price. I get annoyed at having to ask just to find out something is out of what i consider the range of cost to return. Half of my pm box is filled with asking people for pricing. It doesn't have to do with instant gratification, it has to do with understanding if an item is obtainable.

I agree with a "pm me for possible discounts" idea. that gives both camps options, you can know about where the price of the part is, but the reseller who wants to make business by under cutting other can still get that done.

Thank you vividracing for adding prices to your posts without having to be told. thats a stand up thing to do. And I agree its the way most forums conduct there business so there is a reason for it.

And to close, you don't go to a brick and mortar store and they write "see cashier for price" on there products. It just makes me feel like the places are kinda shady when they make me ask for a price to everything.

When manufactures set map pricin this means a vendor can't ADVERTISE a price lower then the map pricin how ever they can sell it at what ever they want .

I think there are two options to make people happy 1. Post a price and make sure you say like $100 map pricing . Or 2. Have the vendor pm the customer with the price .

IMO people expect everything given to them, stop being lazy .i know that will piss someone off but get Over it. It takes a minute to pm someone and ask for pricin

[Fascist Fish]

I am not being lazy, its about knowing if something is even near the price range people want for a product. Sorry some of us have jobs and a life and can't spend every day asking everyone for a price on every item they sell.

Maybe you didn't read my entire post, my inbox is half full of asking people, and I wouldn't need to ask the dealers there discount price if I got the msrp upfront. And no it does not take a min to pm someone a price, sometimes it takes them a long time to respond. My record on this site is a 4 day wait, and that wasn't even over a weekend.

Consumers have to right to expect dealers to be upfront with there prices. This ask me for a price is the kind of thing you only see in online fly by night dealers. I have never been to a brick and mortar tuning store that doesn't clearly mark there prices. Hell, even most online stores at least have a msrp listed on there products. All I want to know is the ballpark the part is before I consider it, is that unreasonable?

[Dkittrell]

Originally Posted by i3izzy

I am not being lazy, its about knowing if something is even near the price range people want for a product. Sorry some of us have jobs and a life and can't spend every day asking everyone for a price on every item they sell.

Maybe you didn't read my entire post, my inbox is half full of asking people, and I wouldn't need to ask the dealers there discount price if I got the msrp upfront. And no it does not take a min to pm someone a price, sometimes it takes them a long time to respond. My record on this site is a 4 day wait, and that wasn't even over a weekend.

Consumers have to right to expect dealers to be upfront with there prices. This ask me for a price is the kind of thing you only see in online fly by night dealers. I have never been to a brick and mortar tuning store that doesn't clearly mark there prices. Hell, even most online stores at least have a msrp listed on there products. All I want to know is the ballpark the part is before I consider it, is that unreasonable?

I work very long hours , I'm in the ac industry In Arizona, don't mention not having time . You have to look at their point of view , If I see a price for something I feel that's the price the I would be paying and so with it being listed as map pricing it could lose sales for the vendor so it needs be clear that it's map pricing . I personally like to do most of my buisness locally that way I can support my local shops, but if all I see if map pricing and it's not made clear I would think they were over priced and I would go else where .

[Fascist Fish]

Do you think its more time effective for them to not put a price and have everyone ask a price making them respond to maybe hundreds of pms for a few sales. Or do you think it is better for them to post a price and say "pm for discount", probably cutting there pms in half because people have a ballpark for prices? I know that would of saved me sending many pms already.

I never said they can't ask people to pm for a better price, we just want ballpark figures. Its not hard to post "price is X and pm for discount" if they want to try to undercut the MAP. If vendors can't be clear on that and lose business, its there fault. That is the way its done on every other suscussful forum I use, so it must not be a bad idea.

[Dkittrell]

IMO it doesn't save any time . I would want to know the exact price I would be paying so I would be pm any product I would be interested in anyway because I know map pricin isn't what I would be paying

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Dkittrell

IMO it doesn't save any time . I would want to know the exact price I would be paying so I would be pm any product I would be interested in anyway because I know map pricin isn't what I would be paying

Yeah, but you know you're not going to be paying 1/2 of MAP. I don't want to have to waste my time inquiring for parts just to find out that they cost twice what I'm looking to spend just because of the JDM tax. Oh, you can shave $100 off of a $1400 exhaust? Good for you, but you could have saved me the hassle if you'd just said from the get-go that it was over $1000.

[Fascist Fish]

Exactly what Mitch said. If I wanted to get an exact price, I would even go through the hassle of calling and talking to someone, but few of these dealers ehre even list phone numbers to call for a timely response.