Random FR-S Buyers

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by Dragon86

In my first post that i worte, i wasnt implying it was Women only that would say its a Good looking car and just buy it. That phrase can go both ways. However "Cute" comment is more towards ladies. By no means is this thread singling out one Sex.

In no way did you do anything wrong. It was mainly something that's implied from using the word "cute," and then someone else started talking about women. Then a comment was made justifying those women's purchases saying they'd enjoy the car regardless of transmission, and 2nd86 knee jerked at completely the wrong person.

Don't sweat anything man. You said both cute and good looking. The conversation just flowed the way it normally does with mostly male car people, toward women.

[AshWilliams]

Originally Posted by genometuning

thats a bit demeaning to say that because they bought him (which we dont even know if they did), that they have exercised poor judgement. Scions are make great cars for first time drivers! in fact, isn't that what the brand is supposed to stand for.

Getting a 16 year old new driver a 2+2 200hp club racer is about as sound judgment as getting him a motorcycle, a lifted Jeep, or a chipped turbo diesel pickup.

That age group is best served with getting an old hand-me-down family sedan.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Rossman

Pretty sure if he's really 16 and has one, his parents bought it for him, and since they've already exercised considerably poor judgement, they will probably insure it for him as well.

What planet are you guys from? Did y'all ever watch 90210 or The OC, or go to a modern high school in the USA\Canada in this or the last decade? 16 year old kids drive Porsche's, Ferrari's, even lowly Mustangs, and Corvettes...They were driving cool cars back when I was in High School even in Arkansas.

Giving your kid a cool car like a FR-S is not having poor judgement. It's just being a cool parent. If you are rich, you are not going to have your kid driving in a beat up honda civic. But yeah it is probably going to make our insurance rates go up on the FR-S. But this was going to happen anyways.

The FR-S is an affordable sports car, not some rare hard to get exotic. You are going to see some teenagers driving them, just like you see them driving Civic Si coupes and GTI's.

[Rossman]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

What planet are you guys from? Did y'all ever watch 90210 or The OC, or go to a modern high school in the USA\Canada in this or the last decade? 16 year old kids drive Porsche's, Ferrari's, even lowly Mustangs, and Corvettes...They were driving cool cars back when I was in High School even in Arkansas.

Um, those are TV shows. They do not, contrary to popular belief, reflect reality - they are fiction. They definitely do not reflect reality at most Canadian high schools. Sure you might get a couple rich kids in a city school but not really anywhere else.

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Giving your kid a cool car like a FR-S is not having poor judgement. It's just being a cool parent.

It's being an idiot parent. Your kid will think you are cool but you will think you are an idiot after little johnny wraps that sucker around a pole.

Originally Posted by tripjammer

If you are rich, you are not going to have your kid driving in a beat up honda civic.

Why not I would rather they drive that and wreck it, than wreck a brand new car.

[alyon]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

What planet are you guys from? Did y'all ever watch 90210 or The OC, or go to a modern high school in the USA\Canada in this or the last decade? 16 year old kids drive Porsche's, Ferrari's, even lowly Mustangs, and Corvettes...They were driving cool cars back when I was in High School even in Arkansas.

Giving your kid a cool car like a FR-S is not having poor judgement. It's just being a cool parent. If you are rich, you are not going to have your kid driving in a beat up honda civic. But yeah it is probably going to make our insurance rates go up on the FR-S. But this was going to happen anyways.

The FR-S is an affordable sports car, not some rare hard to get exotic. You are going to see some teenagers driving them, just like you see them driving Civic Si coupes and GTI's.

So much stupid in this it hurts. 90210 and the OC.... is reality... really man? I grew up in a wealthy white as hell suburb. It is not like that. Maybe a hand full of expensive cars
. Lots of old Japan cars, cheap beamers, and trucks. The parents who did buy the showroom sports cars were idiots. Hell, they were not even the wealthiest people. Not even close.

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

What planet are you guys from? Did y'all ever watch 90210 or The OC, or go to a modern high school in the USA\Canada in this or the last decade? 16 year old kids drive Porsche's, Ferrari's, even lowly Mustangs, and Corvettes...They were driving cool cars back when I was in High School even in Arkansas.

Yes, and when they wreck them(and they often do), daddy buys them a new one. In fact, daddy most likely already has junior a job set up after high school too, as well as a new house with rent paid for, and a plethora of other ass-wiping/hand holding events that will continue until death.

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Giving your kid a cool car like a FR-S is not having poor judgement. It's just being a cool parent. If you are rich, you are not going to have your kid driving in a beat up honda civic. But yeah it is probably going to make our insurance rates go up on the FR-S. But this was going to happen anyways.

Oh it's definitely cool, but you couldn't be further from the truth in regards it not being poor judgment. My town is filled with crosses from daddy's vehicle choice, usually Mustangs and Camaros. The survivor of the wreck(passenger/s) always go out and buy even faster cars once recovering from the hospital and after suing both the insurance company and the parents of the dead driver.

The most common factors in the 30+ years I've lived here have been rear wheel drive, followed by a tree or lamp post. It's never the Civic or Corolla unless they were the ones being hit by daddy's little boy/girl.

You buy a $25000 car for a child(16), you might as well wipe his ass until he's 40.

[skyline364]

Actually I maybe 16 but its not like i'm stupid. Thats just stereotypical. I am the top student in my school with a 98% average and i have a job which goes to paying half half with my parents. Not all 16 year olds drivers are wreckless. My school also is filled with bmw m3's, mercedes and mustangs so dont just assume my parents have poor judgement as they dont. What if somebody said that about your parents?

[Rossman]

Originally Posted by skyline364

so dont just assume my parents have poor judgement as they dont. What if somebody said that about your parents?

I would believe it. My parents also have poor judgement, just not in this way.

Furthermore, I don't have to make any assumptions about your parents poor judgement, they have quite clearly demonstrated it.

[jflogerzi]

My parents got me a 72 super beetle as my first car! Then a year later I got my first new car(on my own), 2004 toyota corolla, and now my FR-S. 16 year kids need beaters or old hand me downs. There is no reason they should get brand new cars. This way it make them want a job, and money to get a better car

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by skyline364

Actually I maybe 16 but its not like i'm stupid. Thats just stereotypical. I am the top student in my school with a 98% average and i have a job which goes to paying half half with my parents. Not all 16 year olds drivers are wreckless. My school also is filled with bmw m3's, mercedes and mustangs so dont just assume my parents have poor judgement as they dont. What if somebody said that about your parents?

i dont care what all these people are on about you being irresponsible. here is the bottom line: that car is expensive, especially for someone in your position. you are inexperienced. you are going to crash. it just happens. in my opinion, you shouldnt a car if you cant afford two of them. your money would be better spent on a used miata or something that is just as much fun but when you crash, you dont have that 25k mistake stressing you out and affecting your grades and your work. poor judgement or not, you shouldnt have a car payment until you have a tenured career

[alyon]

Originally Posted by skyline364

Actually I maybe 16 but its not like i'm stupid. Thats just stereotypical. I am the top student in my school with a 98% average and i have a job which goes to paying half half with my parents. Not all 16 year olds drivers are wreckless. My school also is filled with bmw m3's, mercedes and mustangs so dont just assume my parents have poor judgement as they dont. What if somebody said that about your parents?

I may be 16 but it's not like I'm stupid. That's just a stereotype. I am the top student at my school with a 98% average in addition to paying half of the costs with my job. Not all 16 year-old drivers are reckless. My school is filled with BMW M3s, Mercedes, and Mustangs. So don't just assume my parents have poor judgement. They don't. What if somebody said that about your parents?

[FIXED]

Jesus fucking sheep. Yes you are. Everyone here was young once. Young people are stupid. Learn to spell and punctuate your shit. Spell check was going insane. When you're trying to make an argument online spelling, punctuation, logic, and reason go a long way. Maybe then people will start to even listen to your argument.

Oh, and like everyone said. YOU WILL WRECK IT... and then be THAT guy at school. Just a heads up.

[Mpowered]

Originally Posted by alyon

I may be 16 but it's not like I'm stupid. That's just a stereotype. I am the top student at my school with a 98% average in addition to paying half of the costs with my job. Not all 16 year-old drivers are reckless. My school is filled with BMW M3s, Mercedes, and Mustangs. So don't just assume my parents have poor judgement. They don't. What if somebody said that about your parents?

[FIXED]

Jesus fucking sheep. Yes you are. Everyone here was young once. Young people are stupid. Learn to spell and punctuate your shit. Spell check was going insane. When you're trying to make an argument online spelling, punctuation, logic, and reason go a long way. Maybe then people will start to even listen to your argument.

Oh, and like everyone said. YOU WILL WRECK IT... and then be THAT guy at school. Just a heads up.

This thread is so full of LOL its awesome. That said, it's a terrible idea to buy a 16 year old a sports car. You cannot argue with the fact that 16-year-olds have a certain amount of jackassery in them that is just not conducive to a drift-ready car.

Then again, most parents might not know about the full story behind. They might not know that it's a sports car, since it only has 200HP. They might think it's basically a cool looking Civic. It gets great gas mileage, it's got 6 airbags, and it's affordable.

It's a little early to be passing judgment on the parents, even if they should have done their homework first.

[Rossman]

Originally Posted by alyon

Learn to spell and punctuate your shit.

What's most troubling about this is that he is the "top student" at some school, and can't even spell or punctuate properly!!!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by skyline364

Actually I maybe 16 but its not like i'm stupid. Thats just stereotypical. I am the top student in my school with a 98% average and i have a job which goes to paying half half with my parents. Not all 16 year olds drivers are wreckless. My school also is filled with bmw m3's, mercedes and mustangs so dont just assume my parents have poor judgement as they dont. What if somebody said that about your parents?

Skyline364, none of the reasonable advice (and not all of it is, it is the Internet after all) has to do with intelligence. It has to do with experience, which despite what you think, you don't have.

(Can't believe I'm doing this, I should probably get in my rocking chair first)

First, just because everyone at your school has what you say they have, doesn't make it right. There were kids at my high school like that too. Most of the cars did not go unscathed, but some did. Maybe you'll be the exception, maybe not.

By the time I got my license, I was "pretty smart" too. I was at the top of my class in high school (gave the commencement speech at graduation), I had a full time job, I had been riding dirt bikes/go carts/minibikes since I was 7, had been driving large farm equipment since I was 10 and had even driven some really obscenely fast wicked rear-end, no traction control cars (my Dad was a dirt track guy who didn't know better than to let me drive them around the track or "in the woods").

Guess what, despite all that, I damaged or dinged up my first street car no fewer than 5 times in the two years I had it, mainly because I thought I knew what I was doing. I wasn't unsafe, I was just "too smart" for the experience level I had and thought I could do things I wasn't ready for.

Fortunately, it was a $300 car (probably equivalent of a $3000 these days) so no real harm/no foul. I enjoyed fixing it back up after each ding.

If you and your parents are willing to assume that risk, than good for you, just follow some simple rules:

• Don't race it, regardless of what people say or do.
• Don't turn off any of the traction control on the streets.
• If you want to do either of the above, get professional training first and only do it in a controlled environment.
• Remember that every driver, regardless of age or experience, needs to remember that they are probably not as good as they think they are, and can easily get into situations they can't get themselves out of, you are no different.

Best of luck to you!

[Billy2224]

Originally Posted by skyline364

Actually I maybe 16 but its not like i'm stupid. Thats just stereotypical. I am the top student in my school with a 98% average and i have a job which goes to paying half half with my parents. Not all 16 year olds drivers are wreckless. My school also is filled with bmw m3's, mercedes and mustangs so dont just assume my parents have poor judgement as they dont. What if somebody said that about your parents?

mate, im 19 and i think that is the MINIMUM age someone should get this car on driving experience. Financially everyone is different but dude, I'm telling you straight out of my own experience. You have to learn HOW TO DRIVE before you get into a tail happy car like this...

I have over 5 years of track experience with all sorts of formula/rally/semi-touring cars and been driving/racing all my life and I still think that I am capable of wrecking this car like an idoit. Dont waste your money on this yet, buy a DC2 Integra or older Miata and buy this car in the second hand market when the price drops in a couple of years.

16?? smart?... wow

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Billy2224

mate, im 19 and i think that is the MINIMUM age someone should get this car on driving experience. Financially everyone is different but dude, I'm telling you straight out of my own experience. You have to learn HOW TO DRIVE before you get into a tail happy car like this...

I have over 5 years of track experience with all sorts of formula/rally/semi-touring cars and been driving/racing all my life and I still think that I am capable of wrecking this car like an idoit. Dont waste your money on this yet, buy a DC2 Integra or older Miata and buy this car in the second hand market when the price drops in a couple of years.

16?? smart?... wow

of course you do...you are 19. in a couple years you will probably change your mind and say that 21 is the minimum. i dont disagree with you on what should happen but just why. it isnt a matter of having experience like everyone thinks. even experienced people crash cars. what you need to do is buy a car you can afford to crash. experience or not, things happen. if you cant afford to crash your car, you cant afford your car

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Skyline364, none of the reasonable advice (and not all of it is, it is the Internet after all) has to do with intelligence. It has to do with experience, which despite what you think, you don't have.

(Can't believe I'm doing this, I should probably get in my rocking chair first)

First, just because everyone at your school has what you say they have, doesn't make it right. There were kids at my high school like that too. Most of the cars did not go unscathed, but some did. Maybe you'll be the exception, maybe not.

By the time I got my license, I was "pretty smart" too. I was at the top of my class in high school (gave the commencement speech at graduation), I had a full time job, I had been riding dirt bikes/go carts/minibikes since I was 7, had been driving large farm equipment since I was 10 and had even driven some really obscenely fast wicked rear-end, no traction control cars (my Dad was a dirt track guy who didn't know better than to let me drive them around the track or "in the woods").

Guess what, despite all that, I damaged or dinged up my first street car no fewer than 5 times in the two years I had it, mainly because I thought I knew what I was doing. I wasn't unsafe, I was just "too smart" for the experience level I had and thought I could do things I wasn't ready for.

Fortunately, it was a $300 car (probably equivalent of a $3000 these days) so no real harm/no foul. I enjoyed fixing it back up after each ding.

If you and your parents are willing to assume that risk, than good for you, just follow some simple rules:

• Don't race it, regardless of what people say or do.
• Don't turn off any of the traction control on the streets.
• If you want to do either of the above, get professional training first and only do it in a controlled environment.
• Remember that every driver, regardless of age or experience, needs to remember that they are probably not as good as they think they are, and can easily get into situations they can't get themselves out of, you are no different.

Best of luck to you!

This! Thank you. I think the argument about this kid's parents has gotten a little but Dadhawk has put it the best. Next!

[excited86]

I heard a lot of people say they are smart, only til they got the mark for their first year calculus mid term. Later, they lined up at the registrar office to register that they failed their first semester at university.

[armythug]

Originally Posted by Dragon86

Hey guys

Just want to see how many of you seen random FR-S buyers who have no clue what it is, and buy it because its cute or good looking. Also have heard comments at dealership room, that made no sense and wishes they don't buy it.

Hey man don't let it bother you. You don't need to be an enthusiast in order to be qualified to buy this car. lol. There will be plenty of people that might choose to buy this car because it's cheap and not giving a damn about the vehicle's low center of gravity. To each his own.

[Username]

Bringing this thread back onto the topic, my old man and I are each in need of new/different cars. I have been gushing about this car for a long while and have a deposit and should be taking delivery in a few weeks. Just for fun I found a local dealer that had an auto for him to take a peek at. Now, to be fair, my dad is not clueless; he just does not have the same knowledge of the car as most of the people here on the forum do.

He took it for a test drive, after I was telling him more about the car then our salesman knew (which the salesman admitted to). My dad pulled back on the lot smiling from ear to ear.

Now there is a good chance he will pull the trigger tomorrow and end up buying my dream car a few weeks before I can get mine!

Quality FR-S family time in my future.

[Bonburner]

BTW, high school is by no means a measurement of smart.
Especially with No Child Left Behind - I'm not saying its bad program, it just makes school stupidly easy for most.
I fell asleep everyday in class and walked out with no interest in school ever again.
Thank goodness college is a bit more difficult and stimulating.
Knowing me at 16 I'd have been too curious and turn off the TSC - now I don't even consider touching that button until I finish the "break-in" (if such a thing exists) and then hit the tracks with an experienced person.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Skyline364, none of the reasonable advice (and not all of it is, it is the Internet after all) has to do with intelligence. It has to do with experience, which despite what you think, you don't have.

(Can't believe I'm doing this, I should probably get in my rocking chair first)

First, just because everyone at your school has what you say they have, doesn't make it right. There were kids at my high school like that too. Most of the cars did not go unscathed, but some did. Maybe you'll be the exception, maybe not.

By the time I got my license, I was "pretty smart" too. I was at the top of my class in high school (gave the commencement speech at graduation), I had a full time job, I had been riding dirt bikes/go carts/minibikes since I was 7, had been driving large farm equipment since I was 10 and had even driven some really obscenely fast wicked rear-end, no traction control cars (my Dad was a dirt track guy who didn't know better than to let me drive them around the track or "in the woods").

Guess what, despite all that, I damaged or dinged up my first street car no fewer than 5 times in the two years I had it, mainly because I thought I knew what I was doing. I wasn't unsafe, I was just "too smart" for the experience level I had and thought I could do things I wasn't ready for.

Fortunately, it was a $300 car (probably equivalent of a $3000 these days) so no real harm/no foul. I enjoyed fixing it back up after each ding.

If you and your parents are willing to assume that risk, than good for you, just follow some simple rules:

• Don't race it, regardless of what people say or do.
• Don't turn off any of the traction control on the streets.
• If you want to do either of the above, get professional training first and only do it in a controlled environment.
• Remember that every driver, regardless of age or experience, needs to remember that they are probably not as good as they think they are, and can easily get into situations they can't get themselves out of, you are no different.

Best of luck to you!

[Symbiont]

Originally Posted by skyline364

Actually I maybe 16 but its not like i'm stupid. Thats just stereotypical. I am the top student in my school with a 98% average and i have a job which goes to paying half half with my parents. Not all 16 year olds drivers are wreckless. My school also is filled with bmw m3's, mercedes and mustangs so dont just assume my parents have poor judgement as they dont. What if somebody said that about your parents?

'may be' 'it's' 'Reckless'... And please use the Oxford comma. I apologize, but I really can't stand to read a post from someone espousing their intellect when it contains obvious spelling and grammatical errors.

I'll just correct this for you here. I don't think I'll correct all of the more innocuous grammatical mistakes, but I encourage you to spend more time exploring some literary pursuits.

Originally Posted by skyline364

Actually, I may be 16, but it's not like I'm stupid. That's just stereotypical. I am the top student in my school with a 98% average, and I have a job which goes towards paying 'half half' with my parents. Not all 16-year old drivers are reckless. My school is filled with BMW M3's, Mercedes, and Mustangs, so don't just assume my parents have poor judgement, as they don't. What if somebody said that about your parents?

I can understand the reason you feel that way, and I wish you the best in your endeavors. I truly hope you are a much more conscientious driver than I was when I was 16. Please just realize that you really aren't doing yourself any favors by trying to come across the way you did in that post.

Sorry!