Forced Induction or upgrade car?

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Whoa... well.. this thread... heh

Anyway... Is it weird that I want to add FI to my BRZ eventually? The car probably would have cost me 45k in total by that point? Wheels, suspension, full exhaust, SC, and all the labor combined.
The way I see it... I look around at other (new) cars for 45k and I don't see anything I'd want to pick over the BRZ.

The lack of torque down low is annoying for traffic, sometimes, I can see that. I tend to blip to 2K RPM when in stop-and-go traffic just so the engine doesnt sound like a tractor as it tries to make my car creep forward. Or god forbid I'm on even a slight incline and I stall because I don't give enough gas.
Its just not as smooth I guess?

Once I'm rolling around on the highway though, passing other cars and whatnot really isnt an issue. I'm already hitting speeds that would get me in trouble while passing.

Our car isnt practical. None of the cars discussed in this thread are practical. No matter what, you're not spending your money wisely if you have one of these cars. The question is, what do you want to waste your money on?

Well @PandaSPUR ..... I hope you have a better day tomorrow .....



humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Whoa... well.. this thread... heh

Anyway... Is it weird that I want to add FI to my BRZ eventually? The car probably would have cost me 45k in total by that point? Wheels, suspension, full exhaust, SC, and all the labor combined.
The way I see it... I look around at other (new) cars for 45k and I don't see anything I'd want to pick over the BRZ.

The lack of torque down low is annoying for traffic, sometimes, I can see that. I tend to blip to 2K RPM when in stop-and-go traffic just so the engine doesnt sound like a tractor as it tries to make my car creep forward. Or god forbid I'm on even a slight incline and I stall because I don't give enough gas.
Its just not as smooth I guess?

Once I'm rolling around on the highway though, passing other cars and whatnot really isnt an issue. I'm already hitting speeds that would get me in trouble while passing.

Our car isnt practical. None of the cars discussed in this thread are practical. No matter what, you're not spending your money wisely if you have one of these cars. The question is, what do you want to waste your money on?

Not weird at all to WANT to add power loads of guys do and there is no bad reason for it when the statement is "want" and not "need". If you are "blipping" to 2000 revs when moving then you are just not doing something right. There is no "lack of torque" down low and you should not "sound like a tractor" if you are in the proper gear for the speed. Stalling on an incline is NEVER the car's fault.
Maybe my car is just special but stop and go traffic has never been a problem since I just keep it in first or second and maintain the revs between 2000 and 3000. If I need to clutch in and roll because the speed had dropped below where I can maintain the needed revs I just clutch in and roll. This is no different then driving any other MT car regardless of power. Driving MT in traffic is a pain in the ass in any car but gets even trickier when it is an engine that makes power through revs instead of displacement. Going FI is not going to change the stop and go situation one little bit since you will still need to maintain revs at very low speeds.

So the moral of the story is, when driving in traffic just drive in the proper range with frequent clutch work and revs, swap to a larger displacement engine that isn't so rev happy or buy an auto which will do the work for you. There is no magic that will make a small displacement engine easier to drive at low speeds.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Our car isnt practical. None of the cars discussed in this thread are practical. No matter what, you're not spending your money wisely if you have one of these cars. The question is, what do you want to waste your money on?

That depends completely on your individual definition of "practical" and whether or not you were careful enough to purchase the right car for your mission.

My FR-S is primarily a commuter and it serves that function very well for me. It gets great gas mileage (almost twice what my last car got), it's comfortable (a subjective opinion), and it's fun to drive. It was also relatively inexpensive new (most other cars I considered were 25% to 100% more expensive).

It also serves just fine as a 2 person vacation vehicle. You can easily pack up for a week's vacation and hit the road in it. MomHawk and I have done that multiple times in my almost 4 years of ownership.

Now, 10 years ago when I had 3 sons at home, and my primary vehicle was also the sports team/family transport, no the 86 would not have been practical.

[TruRace]

Well I'll start by saying the answer to the question depends on how you feel about the car. I've been struggling with this decision for a while. I certainly would like to drop 4k on a kit but at the same time I think I'd rather put that money towards a 16 Camaro SS (my current obsession). The FRS is a great car and I'm certain it would be awesome on boost but there are too many things that I dislike about the car to drop that amount of cash on it, on top of the money I've already spent. If I could do it again I would things a bit different, BUT if you really love this car and all its quirks, by all means do it.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by TruRace

Well I'll start by saying the answer to the question depends on how you feel about the car. I've been struggling with this decision for a while. I certainly would like to drop 4k on a kit but at the same time I think I'd rather put that money towards a 16 Camaro SS (my current obsession). The FRS is a great car and I'm certain it would be awesome on boost but there are too many things that I dislike about the car to drop that amount of cash on it, on top of the money I've already spent. If I could do it again I would things a bit different, BUT if you really love this car and all its quirks, by all means do it.

The 6th Gen is easily the best of the current crop of "muscle" cars IMO. A car that can go straight and handle that has an excellent interior and somewhat lightweight.... winner.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Well @PandaSPUR ..... I hope you have a better day tomorrow .....



humfrz

wut o_o

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not weird at all to WANT to add power loads of guys do and there is no bad reason for it when the statement is "want" and not "need". If you are "blipping" to 2000 revs when moving then you are just not doing something right. There is no "lack of torque" down low and you should not "sound like a tractor" if you are in the proper gear for the speed. Stalling on an incline is NEVER the car's fault.
Maybe my car is just special but stop and go traffic has never been a problem since I just keep it in first or second and maintain the revs between 2000 and 3000. If I need to clutch in and roll because the speed had dropped below where I can maintain the needed revs I just clutch in and roll. This is no different then driving any other MT car regardless of power. Driving MT in traffic is a pain in the ass in any car but gets even trickier when it is an engine that makes power through revs instead of displacement. Going FI is not going to change the stop and go situation one little bit since you will still need to maintain revs at very low speeds.

So the moral of the story is, when driving in traffic just drive in the proper range with frequent clutch work and revs, swap to a larger displacement engine that isn't so rev happy or buy an auto which will do the work for you. There is no magic that will make a small displacement engine easier to drive at low speeds.

Honestly it could all just be because I'm a new driver and I'm basing my opinions off a small subset of experience. Maybe this car isnt lacking torque but its just less forgiving?

Doesn't mean the car needs more power just for traffic, or needs more power in general. But I still find myself wanting more power just cause I can :p

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by TruRace

... think I'd rather put that money towards a 16 Camaro SS (my current obsession). .

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

The 6th Gen is easily the best of the current crop of "muscle" cars IMO. A car that can go straight and handle that has an excellent interior and somewhat lightweight.... winner.

Got to agree with both. Had the current Camaro been the 2012/2013 model, I most likely would not be on this forum right now.

[Teseo]

To keep with op, if you decide wiht force induction the problem will be which path: supercharger or turbo?

[CatScan]

The haters are always entertaining. It's ALWAYS the car that does not live up to their massive skill set.

Not perfect, but learning to drive it well despite the flaws is half the fun.

Edit: Not talking about Panda, he just needs some practice.

[p1l0t]

I mean if you can hover around 6 grand for more than a minute than you live in a cooler place then I do... (or you're in neutral)

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[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Got to agree with both. Had the current Camaro been the 2012/2013 model, I most likely would not be on this forum right now.

Me too!
In 3 more years maybe. The only thing I would have to get over is there are so damned many of them around here. I like being unique.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

I mean if you can hover around 6 grand for more than a minute than you live in a cooler place then I do... (or you're in neutral)

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See that is just it. It seems to be common that everybody says you need to be top end revs all the time. I just don't find that and for city/highway driving it performs just fine through the whole range. I also feel that the whole "the torque dip ruins everything" sentiment is laughable when talking daily street driving. If I didn't know it was there I doubt I would ever have even noticed. One dude here complained that it took him two or three minutes to get out of the dip. I would pay money to see just how he was driving.

[Braces]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Got to agree with both. Had the current Camaro been the 2012/2013 model, I most likely would not be on this forum right now.

Dad ... if you had that car ... you would probably be complaining it had TOO much torque and TOO much HP. You would be dreaming if only you had a light weight car with USABLE power with a powerband that can be used all the time.
J/K.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Braces

Dad ... if you had that car ... you would probably be complaining it had TOO much torque and TOO much HP. You would be dreaming if only you had a light weight car with USABLE power with a powerband that can be used all the time.
J/K.

Naw, just get in automatic, that'll fix your power problem