Would you guys trade Evo IX MR for BRZ?

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

The Evo X has MIVEC too.

I meant of the 4G63's. The first Evo that was sold in the US was the Evo VIII so I have never driven a IV.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Noble713

Definitely weak down low, even before the crankwalk. Decent boost builds around 3k, with the ZOMGFAST! level @ 4k-5k. I rarely take my car over 5k because I'm worried about the engine blowing up. It's been like this since two weeks after I bought it; the previous owner had the Blitz DSBC set at 80% over stock boost on a stock Evo IV ECU and engine. I've been doing damage control ever since. My new engine, hopefully installed within the month, has an Evo VI turbo and with proper tuning (my 1st mod was a USDM Evo VIII ECU) should see 350whp. Here in Okinawa I spend most of my time in urban commuter traffic though, which is why I eventually want a nice low-end torque 2.3L build.



If your engine sounds like an impact gun but with a deeper note, especially after wailing on it and then backing down to idle.....pretty good chance it's crankwalk. Time for a 4G64 build! The good news is that the 4G63 is practically indestructible so you can take your time. My engine has been screwed up for 10 months, and I've done some hard driving in that time, including a few late-night hill climbs/time attack runs at full boost practically the whole way. The car still functions....somehow.

Yeah, they are troopers. The previous owner of mine wrecked it and I found a welded hole in the back of the head. The accessory belts and pulleys broke and the engine overheated so it was resurfaced, the turbo blew and filled it with oil, and I've replaced the clutch and transmission but the engine itself has always come back running strong. I have never had an issue with this car that was without warning either. It always let me continue to drive it until the signs became so bad, I was forced to take it in. So they are durable. If I remember correctly, Mitsubishi only ever had 1 engine failure in the top rally class with Tommi Makinen.

But yeah, I'm still not sure if it is crankwalk or not. It hasn't been too bad so far. Sometimes I drive it and don't notice it at all. But yeah, it does seem most noticeable after driving hard for a bit and then setting off from a start. I have noticed a slight drop of power twice though. But I would like to retire it to a backup duty/snow duty/project car and make the FR-S my daily driver.

[switchlanez]

Don't trade it in. Go to a dealership and get a quote for trade-in. Go to CARMAX and get an appraisal. Post it for sale asking for more than your appraisals. Then sit on it for a few months til you get an awesome offer. Then ask yourself the question: Is it worth keeping over the BRZ at that price?

When the BRZ STI comes along, repeat process.

[ngabdala]

Hell no. Your MR is raw, evil, and the best Evo generation out there. Plus it's the last year the bulletproof engine was put in the evos.

If you decide to sell it. Sell it on the private market. I'm assuming from what you wrote that yours is stock. If it's never been in an accident you can expect to get $25k in cash from a buyer.

Originally Posted by DOMOAE92

Quick question: Would you guys trade your Evo IX MR bone stock with 30k miles for a FRS/BRZ?

Quick answers please.

[DOMOAE92]

Originally Posted by ngabdala

Hell no. Your MR is raw, evil, and the best Evo generation out there. Plus it's the last year the bulletproof engine was put in the evos.

If you decide to sell it. Sell it on the private market. I'm assuming from what you wrote that yours is stock. If it's never been in an accident you can expect to get $25k in cash from a buyer.

Well thanks FT86 community for making me realize that I should keep this one in the stable. As for getting into an FRS/BRZ. Maybe in a couple of years, I'll get a STI BRZ or a TRD FRS.

I guess it's been awhile since I've done some spirited driving in my Evo, and forgot the rawness of the car. Did some driving yesterday, and it felt good. Maybe I just lost that lovin' feeling, thank god it's not gone! gone! gone! (Top Gun)

[Razz]

The EVO and BRZ are two different type of cars. Unless you track it it won't make a difference which you have.

On the track the EVO is like a Bull in a china shop. You can plow your way through a corner. I see it all the time at the track. Bad drivers overshoot corners, all they have to due is jerk the wheel and AWD does the rest. You should see they way they hop.


RWD flows through the corner and will be faster if it has the same power output.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by Razz

On the track the EVO is like a Bull in a china shop. You can plow your way through a corner. I see it all the time at the track. Bad drivers overshoot corners, all they have to due is jerk the wheel and AWD does the rest. You should see they way they hop.

But as you said, that's with a bad driver. Good drivers can do it more smoothly, which I have experienced on autocross courses with stock-ish and fully modded Evos.

Plus it's not like RWD cars are only driven by good drivers either. I rode with an M3 (E90 sedan) owner who plowed right through the outer cone barrier of one corner that should've been easy to do.

Originally Posted by Razz

RWD flows through the corner and will be faster if it has the same power output.

Faster... through the corner, at entry, at exit, or through the entire course?

[bestwheelbase]

Yes. The Evo does little for me.

[07stealth350z]

Originally Posted by DOMOAE92

Quick question: Would you guys trade your Evo IX MR bone stock with 30k miles for a FRS/BRZ?

Quick answers please.

Im in a similar boat as you. I plan on trading my bone stock 2007 350Z for an FR-S/BRZ. I drive the Z daily, and the gas mileage BLOWS for a DD. Not to mention the insurance is pretty high for it too, I hear the Evo is even worse to insure. The FR-S doesn't feel painfully slower, but the handling is superb as well as the ride quality. Z is a little too stiff, and having driven it for 5 years, the ride gets old. lol. Seems only right to trade for an FR-S because I feel that it is better in every way except brute power and speed. I don't think I will miss it too much. Power isn't everything if the car is very light. Soon as I find a white one, it's a done deal. Im pretty excited. My Z is payed off, and Im only getting offered $14k-$16k on trade, so there is a little food for thought. Same mileage as your Evo, but Im sure the Evo is worth a little more.

[BugeyedWagon]

I traded my 09 STI in on the BRZ and have not had any regrets. I never AutoX or tracked the STi and used it as a 90 mile/day DD. So with that, I never really utilized the STI's features to fully enjoy them. If I did AutoX or track the STI regualarly, I might have a different opinion. That all said, I think the BRZ is just such an enjoyable driving experience.

My one knock would be the lack of acceleration "feel", but all things can be improved.

[Thongpocket]

Originally Posted by pithy_logorrhea

I sold my 07 STi for a BRZ....

Me too. BRZ is a much better daily driver and actually more fun. Only downside is not smoking mustangs when they run up on me on the freeway.

[Zadkiel]

It depends on what you want out of the car. If you plan on modding it a lot, stick with the Evo so long as it isn't your DD. THe main reason I'm getting a BRZ is that I sold my 240SX to get my house and the Nissan Versa. Keep in mind this was when gas was skyrocketing in 2008-2009. I miss that car because the Versa has 0 personality.

[stockysnail]

Back in 2008 I traded in my Evo 9 RS in for a Lotus Elise. I really wish I would have kept my evo, not because I didn't love the Lotus but the Lotus got old after a while because of the lack of seat comfort. The Lotus is all about looks and handling, not comfort or practicality. The evo was faster than the Lotus too. After I was tired of paying a lot for the Lotus I went with a 04 R32, which is very practical, sounds amazing, but requires repairs a little more often than I'd like. I've driven all the cars everyone has mentioned (even the FR-S/BRZ) in this thread and the FR-S is the most balanced and nicest handling car of the bunch. The Cayman is just a teenie bit better but feels heavier even thought it's only heavier by a little, plus it cost twice as much. The Lotus was amazing too. I wish I could have a combo of the Lotus, BRZ/FR-S, and Evo all in one!

The answer to the question is no one should trade in their Evo 9 for a BRZ/FR-S unless you want something more civilized otherwise you will miss it too much like me. Keep it, pay it off, then have the FR-S/BRZ be your second car. If I could buy a new Evo 9 I would, but they don't exist anymore. That's why the BRZ Limited is what I'm going to get when my R32 finally sells, unless someone knows were I can get a new unmoded Evo 9. I say BRZ and not FR-S because the seats just didn't cut it for me. The BRZ seats are much nicer and since I'll be sitting in it when I drive, the seats are important!

If anyone knows where I can find a brand new Evo 9 RS to replace my mistake, let me know

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

If I could buy a new Evo 9 I would, but they don't exist anymore.

Yes they do. South Coast Mitsubishi in Costa Mesa, CA (about two miles from my office) has two brand new, untitled Evo IX MRs on their showroom floor that I have seen with my own eyes on numerous occasions.

Good write-up though, thanks for the perspective from a driver who has been behind the wheel of most of the cars in discussion, as I think everyone has made a few "armchair enthusiast" comments.

[stockysnail]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Yes they do. South Coast Mitsubishi in Costa Mesa, CA (about two miles from my office) has two brand new, untitled Evo IX MRs on their showroom floor that I have seen with my own eyes on numerous occasions.

Good write-up though, thanks for the perspective from a driver who has been behind the wheel of most of the cars in discussion, as I think everyone has made a few "armchair enthusiast" comments.

I actually said Evo 9 RS. I will look at what you said though about the MRs. When I bought my Evo 9 RS new 6 years ago it cost 29k and I traded it in stupidly for 19k almost 4 years ago because no one was buying it. If I would have kept it, it would have been payed off by now. ;( Silly decisions we make in our 20s.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by stockysnail

I actually said Evo 9 RS. I will look at what you said though about the MRs. When I bought my Evo 9 RS new 6 years ago it cost 29k and I traded it in stupidly for 19k almost 4 years ago because no one was buying it. If I would have kept it, it would have been payed off by now. ;( Silly decisions we make in our 20s.

Well, you said IX RS at the END, haha. I know that they have a GG IX MR there still, and I think they had a WW one too.

I know what you mean, I ALMOST traded my IX SE in for a X GSR in 2008, but I'm glad that I didn't, especially after test driving one and really pushing it to realize what differences there are, even between two successive models of the same car.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

Yes they do. South Coast Mitsubishi in Costa Mesa, CA (about two miles from my office) has two brand new, untitled Evo IX MRs on their showroom floor that I have seen with my own eyes on numerous occasions.

Good write-up though, thanks for the perspective from a driver who has been behind the wheel of most of the cars in discussion, as I think everyone has made a few "armchair enthusiast" comments.

yeah but dont they want like 36 for it or something? i havent been there since october

[DeeezNuuuts83]

I think they want more, actually.

[UncleFester]

Originally Posted by justaquestion

Honestly, the only time I see a BRZ/FR-S being a better car to own over the Evo/STI would be if you were building a dedicated track car... The twins don't even come close to the real life practicality those cars offer. The twins might go around turns quicker, but their overall performance index don't even come close to the Evo/Sti.

And another thing a lot of people don't realize, as far as normal roads are concerned... Yeah, you can go around a turn quicker in the BRZ/FR-S but you can't maintain your speed like you would on a track. The Evo/Sti would be more fun on the street for the simple fact that you can actually accelerate quickly out of turns when its safe too.

Sums it up. I wouldn't do it.

[Hanzo]

I'll throw one thing out there, BRZ/FRS is less expensive to maintain and Subaru/Scion dealership/service department is much much better than Mitsubishi.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by Hanzo

I'll through one thing out there, BRZ/FRS is less expensive to maintain

I think that's a given when talking about a car with ~2/3 the hp, ~1/2 the torque, 1/2 the driving wheels and 1/3 the differentials.

[MTTS3sgte]

Originally Posted by Mtechnik

I couldn't agree more. I have owned very fast street cars as well, and to be honest, I've had as much or more fun in the 'slower' cars with less ponies.

Even after owning a slightly upgraded Noble M400 with 450whp/450tq that only weighed in at 2350lbs. Cars like our SC'd Mini Cooper S are an absolute blast to drive around on the street! Like another poster mentioned, it's tons of fun to run through the gears in a lower hp car on the street, you feel like you're hauling some serious ass!! Lol. In the Noble, 1st & 2nd gear, shift to 3rd and BOOM wayyy over the speed limit at arrest me speeds. Not saying that it isn't fun as well, but we've had as much/more fun (not having to be concerned about safety or law enforcement as much) with the MINI, 99' 10AE Miata, and even the 'slower' S52 M Coupe Incredibly well balanced dynamic fun to drive cars.

Would I trade an Evo IX for a BRZ? Hmm, that's a tough one. I would simply ask you two things: 1. Do you have a need for 4 doors? 2. Since you already drove the BRZ, how do YOU like it? If YOU like it & it's more fun to you, get it. It's an amazing car and who cares what anyone else thinks!

Happy Motoring!

Got to say that I wouldn't have given up the noble m400 but that's just me.