BRZ or FR-S....What's The Difference?

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by MmmHamSandwich

So the FR-S won't support playing music of an android device? I've never messed with the FR-S' stereo but the BRZ synced just fine with my not fancy 2.2 Android. Seems like a glaring omission on Scion's part.

Are you referring to the Blue Tooth Sync? Now that I think of it, the Scion base radio has BT and it should sync with it as well.

[MmmHamSandwich]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Are you referring to the Blue Tooth Sync? Now that I think of it, the Scion base radio has BT and it should sync with it as well.

I don't know, from the sound of what you were saying it seemed like it didn't work with androids at all.

The only reference that I saw in the thread was about that cup holder thing. If that was what all the fuss about it ought to be pretty obvious why they couldn't make it for androids.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by alluringreality

Although I'm aware of some differences like the FR-S lacking automatic headlights, I did some searching and cannot find any details on these items from the BRZ limited.

On all of the Subaru brochures, one of the "limited adds" features is "anti-theft security alarm." Someone (I think Dave-ROR) asked about this and was told it refers to the strut sensors which the limited has but premium does not. The color matched interior refers to the clock, climate controls, gauges, and radio all lighting up red on the limited. On the Premium the clock and climate controls light up yellow (same as FR-S).

This link shows "anti-theft security system" as standard on limited and not available on premium, apparently this is referring to the strut sensors
http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/brz/static/compare.html

cars101.com has a pretty good description of the differences (in fact I just learned about another limited feature that is not on the premium, puddle lights on the doors), but even they don't mention the different color for the clock (pretty minor thing anyways, but having different colored lights in the interior bothers me)
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/brz/brz2013.html#features

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by MmmHamSandwich

I don't know, from the sound of what you were saying it seemed like it didn't work with androids at all.

The only reference that I saw in the thread was about that cup holder thing. If that was what all the fuss about it ought to be pretty obvious why they couldn't make it for androids.

From what I understood a while back, that there was more integration than just that of a connection device. Don't know, lost sight of the audio setup stuff.

[PERRIN_Jeff]

Originally Posted by MmmHamSandwich

I enjoyed the picture comparison, though I have to say it would have been nice if the Subaru and Scion pictures didn't constantly swap sides.

Still it was a great compilation. Thanks!

I actually did in on purpose. I think the FR-S guys would be mad if all the Subaru pics were first and visa-versa. I also didn't want it to sound like the first picture was showing something better than the second picture either. I was trying to walk that fine line of love for both cars, so I put them together randomly.

Or I could have done two versions, one with the Scion first, and one with the Subaru first. Then put them into their corresponding threads. That would have been great to see how each thread turned out!

But really, for us and hopefully others, its not about which is better.

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

It would be nice to have this for BRZ Premium vs. Limited too. There are the obvious features everyone knows about (proximity key, auto climate control, leather seats, spoiler, fog lights), but there are less obvious ones that I didn't know about until a few weeks before my car was due to arrive that ended up convincing me to get the Limited (lighted vanity mirrors, alarm strut sensors, color matched interior lighting, silver trim on door handles and center console).

That is easy to add. The problem is none of those things are available for the FR-S. I wanted it to be a base FR-S vs base BRZ.

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Great comparison. The only thing I can think to dislike about something is in that I find it in very poor distaste to cater to an IPhone setup, when the #1 selling Phone and carrying more market share is/are Androids...

That is a Fail in my book.

I think that its mainly for iPods to connect to the radio, not phones. Since iPhones and Androids all have bluetooth (at least I think all the Androids do) there is no reason to have that plugged in all way in the back into the cup holder since it can stay in your pocket. If you take your phone out of your pocket, there is a nice cubby hole under the HVAC controls, which is way more convenient.

[86_ZN6]

i think the door courtesy lights are different too.

FRS = red
BRZ = clear

FRS is just a reflector
BRZ really lights up

[The Robot Cow]

My dream 86 atm: Brz limited w/ frs white gauges, 86 fender emblems, and real cf interior pieces. Well i'm holding off until at least next year, hopefully there's an Brz Sti by then. If the production model looks like the concept version as seen on speedhunters back in janurary then i'm all in for that one.
http://www.speedhunters.com/2012/01/...z_sti_concept/

[SnapOv3st3r]

Going to be some swap meets going on...lol.

"Hey, I'll trade you my FR-S gauges for your BRZ dash trim".....lol

"BRZ headlights for your FR-S front bumper"....

[PERRIN_Jeff]

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

i think the door courtesy lights are different too.

FRS = red
BRZ = clear

FRS is just a reflector
BRZ really lights up

FRS =Red reflector
BRZ Premium = Red reflector
BRZ Limited = White and Lights Up

In Subaru's literature, it shows that the courtesy lights are upgradable as though there are wires sitting behind it. I bet the FR-S is the same way!

[Koji_Online]

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Jeff

FRS =Red reflector
BRZ Premium = Red reflector
BRZ Limited = White and Lights Up

In Subaru's literature, it shows that the courtesy lights are upgradable as though there are wires sitting behind it. I bet the FR-S is the same way!

Nice! I would like to see this done for the FR-S

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Jeff

FRS =Red reflector
BRZ Premium = Red reflector
BRZ Limited = White and Lights Up

In Subaru's literature, it shows that the courtesy lights are upgradable as though there are wires sitting behind it. I bet the FR-S is the same way!

More and More these findings show how much identical the cars are. Great thread.

[CSOCSO]

im pretty sure someone already pointed out the fake cf/space invader ufo shape is actually a T which stands for Toyota. nice touch but looks crappy fake cf on the dash

[EsoBOFH]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Great comparison. The only thing I can think to dislike about something is in that I find it in very poor distaste to cater to an IPhone setup, when the #1 selling Phone and carrying more market share is/are Androids...

That is a Fail in my book.

Not true.

I have a google/samsung nexus running ICS (android 4.0) - and it works fine... well, let me qualify that. It works fantastic for audio, and making and receiving calls. Voice commands through the head unit is a basic FAIL.

For the phonebook, history, etc.. to work - you need to go into the menu and "download" the phone book from the phone.. most decks just download this by default, but some you have to tell them to download it.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by EsoBOFH

Not true.

I have a google/samsung nexus running ICS (android 4.0) - and it works fine... well, let me qualify that. It works fantastic for audio, and making and receiving calls. Voice commands through the head unit is a basic FAIL.

For the phonebook, history, etc.. to work - you need to go into the menu and "download" the phone book from the phone.. most decks just download this by default, but some you have to tell them to download it.

If you were to take what I said, then it is true. I never said it didn't work with the Audio, which is what you described. And I'm glad it does, cause I don't do Apple.

What I said specifically..

-Catering to the IPhone, with little stuff like the cup/phone holder (not much, just the thought that they reference it and associate it for the IPhone).

-And Android is the #1 selling platform for phones.

Both of those are true

[Ess Vee]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

If you were to take what I said, then it is true. I never said it didn't work with the Audio, which is what you described. And I'm glad it does, cause I don't do Apple.

What I said specifically..

-Catering to the IPhone, with little stuff like the cup/phone holder (not much, just the thought that they reference it and associate it for the IPhone).

-And Android is the #1 selling platform for phones.

Both of those are true

Ok, I posted earlier about the little plastic cup/phone holder, but I thought maybe you were talking about the software integration so I deleted that post.

Anyways, It's not like you can't put your phone in the holder too... It'd be very expensive a design a multitude of plastic holders for every android to be compatible with. Last time I checked, no android was the same. This is the beauty about the design of apple's iProducts. They are the same, and backwards compatible with previous accessories.

Like I said before, MINI did market research and found that most of the people who purchased their vehicles also used apple products (Who woulda thought, right? ). Who's to say Scion/Toyota didn't do the same thing?

Also, rather than design a "meh" system that was compatible with most phone systems, MINI decided to design their headunit to cater to one and make it really good.

Think about it like this. Just because Android is the #1 selling phone platform, doesn't mean it's the most popular in...let's say... Cupertino. It's about demographics, my friend.

[86_ZN6]

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Jeff

In Subaru's literature, it shows that the courtesy lights are upgradable as though there are wires sitting behind it. I bet the FR-S is the same way!

FRS confirmed no wiring behind reflectors!

[PERRIN_Jeff]

Bummer! Maybe its tucked up behind there somewhere. I was going to pull the door cards off to see what kind of speakers were in there as well. I will see what I can find for that wiring!

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by PERRIN_Jeff

For 100%, the push start and keyless entry is really cool. That is one of the best parts about the limited.

Everyone has their own opinions, that is for sure. Neither car is perfectly suited for everyone. I think its kind of nice having two different cars that are so similar. It suites more customers. If Subaru came out with this car, they wouldn't sell half as many as Toyota would.


I am very close to doing this. Just deciding if I am going to wrap my car again. That will make it easy, as I won't have to paint the front bumper.


How about this!



The black parts can be pushed out and changed from the back side. But no real vent behind it. Bummer!

Oh, that is mighty lame of Toyota. How hard would it have been to either eliminate the stupid fake vent from the fender entirely or allow for a real opening? Booooo.

Well, looks like different fenders or some artful cutting might be a reasonable mod.