Gaming Culture and gender

[Allch Chcar]

Link.http://fozmeadows.wordpress.com/2012...ure-in-gaming/

This guy is calling it "rape culture" but I guess it more specifically about insults and verbal sexual attacks on females in general that try to silence or eliminate female power and influence on matters. This blog has been making the rounds following an event sponsored by Capcom where one of the contestants sexually harassed a female teammate until she forfeited a match. The guy was known for trash talk and being an equal opportunity jerk. But apparently he went too far with a teammate and embarrassed himself by defending it as part of the fighting game culture. Last part I read, he apologized for defending his actions and personally apologized to his former teammate and she accepted so that matter was resolved. But it's still a point of contention that many communities previously dominated by males are being increasingly "encroached" by the "opposite" gender which cause friction like this.


I thought it was particularly pungent that this sort of thing more commonly happens where one gender dominates a certain group or activity. Where else besides frat houses does the male gender dominate by sheer numbers? Certain games and enthusiast car forums right?

I know people here are pretty tough on newcomers as a matter of course but I've always wondered why so few female members when many guys have been saying this car is bound to be a "secretary car." Sure it might just be personal differences but isn't it partly dominant male attitude? Girly and feminine is generally considered by men to be derogatory right? But I think why not have more females interested in this car. Isn't that what we all really want?

[Longhorn248]

I think it's funny when guys on a forum that's geared towards men complain about or question why there aren't more girls around. Men and women are biologically different and have different interests that aren't always going to coincide. I highly doubt on a purse forum or cosmetics forum there are threads asking, "why aren't there more guys here?" I think it's just one of those things that people need to accept and quit wondering about.

Granted I will agree that male dominated forums usually aren't the best when it comes to new members, but I doubt a more cordial attitude is going to magically shift the demographics of a place like this.

Edit: I know I didn't really respond to the first part of the OP. IMO the guy was being a d-bag, and you can find those just about anywhere, not just in the gaming or car scene.

[Dimman]

Are you interested enough in how you dress to join and post regularly on a fashion forum? I'm not (though maybe I should be...) Part of it is the 'Tits or GTFO!' internet car forum stuff, but I think there is also a difference in the level of passion involved.

Edit: 2 posts involving stereotypes of girls forums. Nice.

[Allch Chcar]

Two stereotypical responses, really guys?

[Giccin]

Best way to avoid this?

Don't play on the US servers. Most US players are generally the biggest assholes in the gaming community.

[vividracing]

It really does come down to the fact that the number of women who are passionate enough about cars to join a community for a certain car is very low. The number of women interested in joining a forum of any sort is also much lower than then number of men. Combine those, and that's why there's so few female forum members.

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

I think it's funny when guys on a forum that's geared towards men complain about or question why there aren't more girls around. Men and women are biologically different and have different interests that aren't always going to coincide. I highly doubt on a purse forum or cosmetics forum there are threads asking, "why aren't there more guys here?" I think it's just one of those things that people need to accept and quit wondering about.

Granted I will agree that male dominated forums usually aren't the best when it comes to new members, but I doubt a more cordial attitude is going to magically shift the demographics of a place like this.

Edit: I know I didn't really respond to the first part of the OP. IMO the guy was being a d-bag, and you can find those just about anywhere, not just in the gaming or car scene.

So i googled it...they really do have purse forums!

[Giccin]

I also forgot to mention most girls/female/women don't go to car meets/forums due to one of the many reasons.

1. Always Kitchen Jokes (srsly)
2. Women can't drive Jokes. (srsly)
3. Boobs?!

Eh. I hate car meets. I hate most of the people there after attending a few of them. Most guys if not all--have the same mindset. "She's a girl she doesn't know shit." I ask a question they look away. Unfortunately I don't look like an import model so answering questions I have don't work.

Shit.. there was an instance where I went to a meet and I heard from a distance "THIS ISN'T THE KITCHEN BITCH!!"

Yea. Fuck most car guys. Glad I found a forum that's a bit more mature and appropriate in many ways.

[YukiHachiRoku]

I just read the first few comments on your post and didn't even have to read the rest, but only respond to it.

It is sad. Plain and simple.

Note: :Yesterday I ran into an old female friend on Aion which I have not seen for about a year (she is pretty fucking badass) and had a lot of fun playing with her, and that's what games are about. (Is fun) It was a lot of fun, and you can be amazed at how mad guys will get when a female will rock them at a video game! (let alone driving) =P

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

So i googled it...they really do have purse forums!

www.purseforum.com

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Two stereotypical responses, really guys?

You honestly think that there is an answer to the thread topic that will unlock the secret to getting girls on a car forum?

[S2kphile]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

You honestly think that there is an answer to the thread topic that will unlock the secret to getting girls on a car forum?

It is what it is. @Longhorn248 put it simply; "Men and women are biologically & psychologically different and have different interests that aren't always going to coincide."

If a person can't handle the fire stay out of it but if they stay in it long enough & work they'll earn the respect of their peers men or women.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Got my ass handed to me by a girl or by a guy in a video game, what the fuck does it matter? Women invading non-traditional gender roles, oh my god big deal. Not.

Originally Posted by Giccin

I also forgot to mention most girls/female/women don't go to car meets/forums due to one of the many reasons.

1. Always Kitchen Jokes (srsly)
2. Women can't drive Jokes. (srsly)
3. Boobs?!

Eh. I hate car meets. I hate most of the people there after attending a few of them. Most guys if not all--have the same mindset. "She's a girl she doesn't know shit." I ask a question they look away. Unfortunately I don't look like an import model so answering questions I have don't work.

All I'm saying is stereotypes exist for a reason; your stereotypical car guy is a chauvinist pig.

Speaking of women not being able to drive; I always chided my mother for scratching up her RX when parking, etc. but GODDAMN that bitch is hard to park! Can't see shit! No spatial awareness or anything. Now I feel like a jerk.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

You honestly think that there is an answer to the thread topic that will unlock the secret to getting girls on a car forum?

I was hoping for a more thought out response that might embarass my intelligence or make me reconsider my assumptions not a cliche response based on stereotypes of the average female. You might as well add that the average male must have a v8 or a turbo to even consider a car a 'sports car.'

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Got my ass handed to me by a girl or by a guy in a video game, what the fuck does it matter? Women invading non-traditional gender roles, oh my god big deal. Not.



All I'm saying is stereotypes exist for a reason; your stereotypical car guy is a chauvinist pig.

Speaking of women not being able to drive; I always chided my mother for scratching up her RX when parking, etc. but GODDAMN that bitch is hard to park! Can't see shit! No spatial awareness or anything. Now I feel like a jerk.

I'm not as concerned by losing to a girl(or anyone) on a game, as I am about things like the average car guy is a chauvinist pig. With games I can almost always find a different server or if I'm with a good group I can handle losing hundreds of times. Cars have a much smaller community and sports cars are even smaller and even more likely to be elitist.


And we're not talking about driving here. Sorry.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I was hoping for a more thought out response that might embarass my intelligence or make me reconsider my assumptions not a cliche response based on stereotypes of the average female. You might as well add that the average male must have a v8 or a turbo to even consider a car a 'sports car.'

I'm going to have to go with Orbital on this one with regards to the fact that stereotypes exist for a reason. I don't think there is going to be any startling revelation as to why there aren't more girls lurking around car forums or into the automotive scene. If you think about it, even the guys that are on car forums are out of the ordinary when you look at the general population. For most people cars are just a way to get from point A to point B. Only a small portion of us are interested in them beyond that.

I don't think the V8 or turbo thing is a very good analogy. That's simply personal preference or stubbornness as opposed to someone just not being interested in a certain subject or activity.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

www.purseforum.com

354 thousand members an 21 million posts???

Wow...

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Dimman

354 thousand members an 21 million posts???

Wow...

I guess there's a lot to talk about

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Giccin

I also forgot to mention most girls/female/women don't go to car meets/forums due to one of the many reasons.

1. Always Kitchen Jokes (srsly)
2. Women can't drive Jokes. (srsly)
3. Boobs?!

Eh. I hate car meets. I hate most of the people there after attending a few of them. Most guys if not all--have the same mindset. "She's a girl she doesn't know shit." I ask a question they look away. Unfortunately I don't look like an import model so answering questions I have don't work.

Shit.. there was an instance where I went to a meet and I heard from a distance "THIS ISN'T THE KITCHEN BITCH!!"

Yea. Fuck most car guys. Glad I found a forum that's a bit more mature and appropriate in many ways.

Should have yelled back "And this isn't a bathroom, Asshole". Or something to that effect.

Either way, those type of jerks are the same way at a car meet that they would be at a bar. You know, the kind to shout after a girl calling her a bitch for walking away from his rude ass before he finishes his lame attempt at a pick-up.



And OP, for the record I'm going to have to agree with Orbital and S2K; when you're good enough at what you do you'll eventually earn the respect of your peers regardless of gender. Matter of fact the best Call of Duty player I know is a girl (also she's leader of the clan that I play in), I mean I don't know how good you have to be to get an E3 invite but she was invited. Funny thing is she isn't the bragging type but she'll jump on any opportunity to rub that in the faces of all the chauvinists she encounters. After all what better way to kick someone with a superiority complex in the ego than to beat them at their own game?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

I guess there's a lot to talk about

Interestingly enough they have a sub-forum titled "The Kitchen"...

[M-17]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

I highly doubt on a purse forum or cosmetics forum there are threads asking, "why aren't there more guys here?" I think it's just one of those things that people need to accept and quit wondering about.

Well if some women were ever wondering about that before, now they have some peeked interest from some of these guys in here checking up in their purse forums.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by M-17

Well if some women were ever wondering about that before, now they have some peeked interest from some of these guys in here checking up in their purse forums.

It wouldn't be the first time. The only reason I knew about the purse forum is because it was brought up on a different car forum I'm on

[S2kphile]

Originally Posted by M-17

Well if some women were ever wondering about that before, now they have some peeked interest from some of these guys in here checking up in their purse forums.

Aye, I like purses especially if they are carrying certain things in them.