BRZ or FR-S....What's The Difference?

[si]

I think that the gt86 lights look the best!!!!! I want them for my frs!

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Now, that one, I totally agree with. Yeah, it'll be cool if they did that... but I think, that'll bump another $500~$1k to the price tag

One can always paint it with factory colors. Just beware that if you have glossy surface here, it can reflect the sun into your face during dusk/dawn....

Some makes are doing the painted body color dash like the old 70's and 60's cars. FIAT 500 is one of them. I think it has charm for a showy niche car.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

I think Mr.Jay is right, the "faux CF" pattern is identical to the grill pattern and not at all like the Space Invaders guys:

To me, that makes the "faux CF" even cooler as it's a continued design from the grill. I applaud that level of detail.

That pattern is based on an old TOYOTA logo used in the 60's, a bit modified to make a repeating pattern. It can also be found on the dash cluster, center console, floor mats, grill, and back side of the sub visors on the FRS.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

AT was base off IS-F tranny (except 2 gears less) & that's from Tada-san's mouth.

It's an entirely different unit from AISIN, but you are correct in saying that the technologies and methods used in the mechanism, software, and R&D were very much from the IS-F as well as driving and final tuning from the meisters that also created the excellent LFA transmission, however mechanically different it may be, for the same goals.

[Gir]

Glad I'm getting a base Aus spec. No massive piece of fake carbon fibre.

http://news.drive.com.au/photogaller...lectedImage=26

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

It's an entirely different unit from AISIN, but you are correct in saying that the technologies and methods used in the mechanism, software, and R&D were very much from the IS-F as well as driving and final tuning from the meisters that also created the excellent LFA transmission, however mechanically different it may be, for the same goals.

Thank you, I should of been more specific.

[Moto-P]

On the topic of the mystery T pattern, Mr.Tada has mentioned it as it being a combination of influences that dates back to these badges.
So perhaps that exact match for the shape was never taken from any particular badge, but the influences from multiple with stress on the shape of the letter T with heritage cars.
Interestingly, the AE86 during the 80's never had a grill, tail, or fender emblem, and logo/name were specific model fonts, in the form of a decal as most smaller cars were in the period.

Also interesting reminder to note, that Sports 800 and the 2000GT was always stored in the office/design studio building, right adjacent to the exterior modeling studio, of these two, the coveted 2000GT from the Nagoya museum was never once removed from the building in the last few years of the FT86 design process.

If the lower tail-fog lamp's triangular shape was inspired also from the 1600GT(2TG) and 2000GT(1M-G) badges, I guess that would be the only place Subaru folks chose not to de-badge the Toyota element?



Carina 1600 by Moto@Club4AG, on Flickr


Sports 800 by Moto@Club4AG, on Flickr


2000GT by Moto@Club4AG, on Flickr


Corona 1600 GT by Moto@Club4AG, on Flickr

[ESBjiujitsu]

I love you guys!!!! always looking out for the community and posting great info!!!!!

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by Tainen

false. Toyota does NOT own a majority stake in Fuji Heavy Industries- it owns 15%, last I checked. And the transmission is an Aisin unit, used in dozens of other cars- the miata, s2000, is300, etc.

Yeah, not that there are any design wars going on during the FT86 creation process. Apparenly the initial appraoch by Toyota seemed not to be taken very kindly from the proud Subaru executives, the project did see much more integration once the engineers from both sides found a basic common ground, and it was made sure by Chief Tada that anyone joining the team, and in the selection process of TEAM86, was manned by those who WISHED to be on the project out of passion.

It's a VERY large company on BOTH sides, and outside the TEAM86, but once completed there were still external influences outside of this team, that influenced the marketing and final product identity for both sides. It seems that the Toyota side in Japanese PR releases and Press Conferences are very open to exposing the collaborative efforts, but Subaru side has been very much mute about the fact.

Whatever the case though, it is up to us, the consumers to embrace it and prove to every person in both firms, that the resulting car was the RIGHT thing, and we all appreciate them very much for this product.

I for one, see this as one of the best collaborative efforts and result product, and I don't hold sides when I know it is the passion of the engineers from BOTH firms that made this happen at such price point, and assembled right next to each other in the same production line at FHI.


Here, the final assembly of the Toyota 86 in Blue, and Subaru BRZ in white, are getting the under-guard panels installed, along with muffler tips and other cosmetic elements, along with the next station ahead, adjustment of wheel alignment and other suspension calibration. Beyond that door ahead of this is the chassis dynamo-meter check station where it will get a virtual "test drive" for mechanical QC on a treadmill, followed by the wet tank, simulating a massive rainstorm, to check for any leaks into body cavities and cabin.

Also interesting to note that while region specific cars, ie. USA, Japan, Asia-Pacific, and European cars are built in serial batches, the BRZ and FRS are assembled right along in the same batch, in between the single line are both brand cars. Perhaps the left hand drive vs right hand configuration is the only part that needs major reconfiguration to justify a batch shifting process, while other differences are easily accommodated by the 'kanban' arrival systems for parts specific to each car in the same batch process, tagged by computerized trays all arriving to each station for each specific parts, harnesses, interior trim, and garnish.

Note also that these cars have both TOW hooks installed, which means these cars at not domestic market cars, but are exports somewhere by car carrier ships.
Not the USA as this one has a Toyota logo on it, and perhaps somewhere in Asia, or Australia, maybe GB? as these are Right hand drives.

Domestic cars (Japanese Market) do not have tow hooks at the factory, as they are shipped by trucks only. On carrier trucks, they get tied at the tires, so as not to stress the body structure.
Export models do have them installed at the factory to tie them down to ships that park the cars at only 4cm (2") stagger, and gets tied down securely in case of rough seas, at the bumpers.
The hooks are removed at the destination port, before loading on the trucks upon arrival on the continent of consumption, this so as not to poke a hole in the cars if they bump at the bumpers?
It's neat to note that meticulous process like this, and utter efficiency they have achieved in making great cars at FHI and Toyota.




BRZ/86 Line-Off assembly, celebrating the first car off was attended by CEO of both Toyota and Subaru at the FHI Gumma plant.

[Sideways?]

As I understood, here in the UK the standard spec for the GT-86 includes HID's and LED running lights and Toyota Touch as standard...

It will be very interesting when the UK cars start arriving, I can't wait!!! I will get some comparison photos up as soon as I have a car to photograph...!!

Ok, so edited to add that also Standard GT-86 spec in the UK comes with dual zone climate and keyless go...
Not sure what the price comparison between the GT-86 and the BRZ will be but eveything I'm seeing on here makes me super glad I picked the GT-86 in the first place and even happier I chose either of the cars over any other car on the market right now....!!!

[MmmHamSandwich]

I enjoyed the picture comparison, though I have to say it would have been nice if the Subaru and Scion pictures didn't constantly swap sides.

Still it was a great compilation. Thanks!

[JERZgrl88]

Wowowowow this was exactly what I was looking for...I needed a good break down of the differences between the two and now I know about the small stuff. Thanks for posting!

I like the space invaders thing. Just not sure why they would design tacky carbon fiber details for the FR-S they should have kept it a little more basic.

Psshh and come on Scion the least you could do is add some nicer trunk dress up cover and not leave it all exposed and ugly.

Oh well. LOVE it either way

[JERZgrl88]

Originally Posted by MmmHamSandwich

I enjoyed the picture comparison, though I have to say it would have been nice if the Subaru and Scion pictures didn't constantly swap sides.

Still it was a great compilation. Thanks!

Yeah I was totally thinking the same thing it should have been consistent...

[Spaceywilly]

It would be nice to have this for BRZ Premium vs. Limited too. There are the obvious features everyone knows about (proximity key, auto climate control, leather seats, spoiler, fog lights), but there are less obvious ones that I didn't know about until a few weeks before my car was due to arrive that ended up convincing me to get the Limited (lighted vanity mirrors, alarm strut sensors, color matched interior lighting, silver trim on door handles and center console).

[maxdriver]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Yeah, not that there are any design wars going on during the FT86 creation process. Apparenly the initial appraoch by Toyota seemed not to be taken very kindly from the proud Subaru executives, the project did see much more integration once the engineers from both sides found a basic common ground, and it was made sure by Chief Tada that anyone joining the team, and in the selection process of TEAM86, was manned by those who WISHED to be on the project out of passion.

It's a VERY large company on BOTH sides, and outside the TEAM86, but once completed there were still external influences outside of this team, that influenced the marketing and final product identity for both sides. It seems that the Toyota side in Japanese PR releases and Press Conferences are very open to exposing the collaborative efforts, but Subaru side has been very much mute about the fact.

Whatever the case though, it is up to us, the consumers to embrace it and prove to every person in both firms, that the resulting car was the RIGHT thing, and we all appreciate them very much for this product.

I for one, see this as one of the best collaborative efforts and result product, and I don't hold sides when I know it is the passion of the engineers from BOTH firms that made this happen at such price point, and assembled right next to each other in the same production line at FHI.


Here, the final assembly of the Toyota 86 in Blue, and Subaru BRZ in white, are getting the under-guard panels installed, along with muffler tips and other cosmetic elements, along with the next station ahead, adjustment of wheel alignment and other suspension calibration. Beyond that door ahead of this is the chassis dynamo-meter check station where it will get a virtual "test drive" for mechanical QC on a treadmill, followed by the wet tank, simulating a massive rainstorm, to check for any leaks into body cavities and cabin.

Also interesting to note that while region specific cars, ie. USA, Japan, Asia-Pacific, and European cars are built in serial batches, the BRZ and FRS are assembled right along in the same batch, in between the single line are both brand cars. Perhaps the left hand drive vs right hand configuration is the only part that needs major reconfiguration to justify a batch shifting process, while other differences are easily accommodated by the 'kanban' arrival systems for parts specific to each car in the same batch process, tagged by computerized trays all arriving to each station for each specific parts, harnesses, interior trim, and garnish.

Note also that these cars have both TOW hooks installed, which means these cars at not domestic market cars, but are exports somewhere by car carrier ships.
Not the USA as this one has a Toyota logo on it, and perhaps somewhere in Asia, or Australia, maybe GB? as these are Right hand drives.

Domestic cars (Japanese Market) do not have tow hooks at the factory, as they are shipped by trucks only. On carrier trucks, they get tied at the tires, so as not to stress the body structure.
Export models do have them installed at the factory to tie them down to ships that park the cars at only 4cm (2") stagger, and gets tied down securely in case of rough seas, at the bumpers.
The hooks are removed at the destination port, before loading on the trucks upon arrival on the continent of consumption, this so as not to poke a hole in the cars if they bump at the bumpers?
It's neat to note that meticulous process like this, and utter efficiency they have achieved in making great cars at FHI and Toyota.




BRZ/86 Line-Off assembly, celebrating the first car off was attended by CEO of both Toyota and Subaru at the FHI Gumma plant.

Very interesting - thank-you for posting

[SnapOv3st3r]

Great comparison. The only thing I can think to dislike about something is in that I find it in very poor distaste to cater to an IPhone setup, when the #1 selling Phone and carrying more market share is/are Androids...

That is a Fail in my book.

[Ess Vee]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Great comparison. The only thing I can think to dislike about something is in that I find it in very poor distaste to cater to an IPhone setup, when the #1 selling Phone and carrying more market share is/are Androids...

That is a Fail in my book.

Mini did market research, and found that most of the people buying their cars were apple users as well. They designed their whole head unit to cater to apple products.

Who's to say that Scion/Toyota didn't do the same thing??

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Great comparison. The only thing I can think to dislike about something is in that I find it in very poor distaste to cater to an IPhone setup, when the #1 selling Phone and carrying more market share is/are Androids...

That is a Fail in my book.

Considering the OS fragmentation with Android there's not guarantee any specific Android phone would work with said "Android specific" application.

Android not being able to supply a uniform customer experience across their device line-up is the "the fail". iOS and now WP7 do this brilliantly. So I don't blame them on being iPhone specific.

[alluringreality]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

Limited
alarm strut sensors, color matched interior lighting

Although I'm aware of some differences like the FR-S lacking automatic headlights, I did some searching and cannot find any details on these items from the BRZ limited.

[Hanakuso]

Originally Posted by Moto-P

Whatever the case though, it is up to us, the consumers to embrace it and prove to every person in both firms, that the resulting car was the RIGHT thing, and we all appreciate them very much for this product.

I agree it was the right thing to do and i'll be backing that up with my purchase of an FR-S, but I don't think we will know if this car is 100% worth the praising and earn our hearts until later because of reliability, QC, and other factors that bring into what Japanese cars got a reputation off of, which IMO is reliability and solid cars.

My family only buy Hondas and Toyotas so the Subaru thing is all new to me

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Considering the OS fragmentation with Android there's not guarantee any specific Android phone would work with said "Android specific" application.

Android not being able to supply a uniform customer experience across their device line-up is the "the fail". iOS and now WP7 do this brilliantly. So I don't blame them on being iPhone specific.

OS fragmentation? All they have to do is support the latest Android OS with backwards compatibility. Not every IPhone user has the latest IPhone and iOS.

At the end of the day, Android platform software owns the market. It's not that hard to make a Jack that plugs into a normal "standard" used phone. I plug my Android now through the headphone port to my stereo's Aux and play the Turn-by-Turn Nav, as well as music from my phone into my radio. If a simple Aux port can do that, nothing wrong with paying a little more attention to detail with Androids than IPhone.

Anyhow, I reckon it's a little off topic. But merely stating my distaste for that approach.

[MmmHamSandwich]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Great comparison. The only thing I can think to dislike about something is in that I find it in very poor distaste to cater to an IPhone setup, when the #1 selling Phone and carrying more market share is/are Androids...

That is a Fail in my book.

So the FR-S won't support playing music of an android device? I've never messed with the FR-S' stereo but the BRZ synced just fine with my not fancy 2.2 Android. Seems like a glaring omission on Scion's part.