Resting your hand on the shifter

[chas3wba0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not a surprise. A tech thread draws a smaller crowd and if the info is valid and concise there is little room for theory or debate.
A topic like this,where the subject matter is not nearly as cut and dried will certainly draw a whole pile more theories out. Once people take sides the debate can rage on for weeks.
Oh, and several of the people responding here also contribute heavily to the tech threads so I am not sure what the "suddenly everyone is an expert" crack is all about.

Engineers (theoretical) vs. track junkies (experiential)

Ready?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by chas3wba0

Engineers (theoretical) vs. track junkies (experiential)

Ready?

While us guys in the middle just watch like a tennis match!


Can't wait to see the fatality move though.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by brianhj

The only bullshit people can come up with is "Well which gears do you think break most often?" Oh that's some definitive evidence right there.

Dumbest argument ever

And you have WHAT evidence to present for your side of the argument?
Oh Nothing? Thought so...

I have >30 years car building experience that says so
Rebuild my own transmissions
AND I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night

And youre ugly and your mother dresses you funny

[brianhj]

Loooool the burden of proof lies on you not me. I don't care how many years you've built cars. In another thread you were confused how rpms relate to rev matching. Anyway you have zero evidence.

[billwot]

Originally Posted by Caspeed

By side thrust I mean a thrust that is not vertical it could be fore and aft or left and right.

Lets look at the pic. The centerline of the shift knob is behind the pivot point. So even if you put a vertical load on the shift knob, due to the geometry, it will tend to push the shift rod forward.

As I have said before do as you like it's your tranny that's going to suffer not mine.

Oh, I'm sure it won't suffer. Like a said, I've done a lot worse than resting my hand on the shifter, and I haven't hurt one yet!

[billwot]

Seriously, does anyone here really believe there is actually any real likliehood that the tranny is going to "wear out" before, say, 250K, no matter what you do.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by billwot

Seriously, does anyone here really believe there is actually any real likliehood that the tranny is going to "wear out" before, say, 250K, no matter what you do.

Well, I am worried about the syncros but that's just paranoia, not experience. ...yet.

[billwot]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Well, I am worried about the syncros but that's just paranoia, not experience. ...yet.

Yup!

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Caspeed

They did come up with an engineered solution it's call an Automatic Transmission.

Boooo

[wheelhaus]

Originally Posted by brianhj

Lol you can't hurt the transmission by resting your hand on the shifter. Pushing or pulling on it yes, but just resting? No. Have you seen the insides of our transmission? What part would you actually be hurting by resting your hand there? Keep in mind we're talking about resting... Not pressing down on it with any amount of significant force.

The only bullshit people can come up with is "Well which gears do you think break most often?" Oh that's some definitive evidence right there.

Dumbest argument ever

You're working the discussion down to a specific scenario. "Resting your hand on the shifter" can range from a simple touch to the weight of your whole arm. If you're not moving the shifter, you're most likely just fine. If you're resting enough weight to cause the stick to move, it might cause enough deflection to move past the ball detents.

Don't be the guy who tries to shut down an argument without looking at the whole picture.

Originally Posted by billwot

Seriously, does anyone here really believe there is actually any real likliehood that the tranny is going to "wear out" before, say, 250K, no matter what you do.

"No matter what you do" is a pretty big loophole to that argument...

Some transmissions are obviously more susceptible to these kinds of problems (dragging forks, etc). This topic has been discussed all over the internet with people who do rebuild trnasmissions, on a huge number of different platforms. It is real, however unlikely it may be to happen to this car. And I would think actually rebuilding transmissions does lend some insight and experience that armchair engineers can only speculate.

[Vroomin86]

Originally Posted by wheelhaus

You're working the discussion down to a specific scenario. "Resting your hand on the shifter" can range from a simple touch to the weight of your whole arm. If you're not moving the shifter, you're most likely just fine. If you're resting enough weight to cause the stick to move, it might cause enough deflection to move past the ball detents.

Don't be the guy who tries to shut down an argument without looking at the whole picture.



"No matter what you do" is a pretty big loophole to that argument...

Some transmissions are obviously more susceptible to these kinds of problems (dragging forks, etc). This topic has been discussed all over the internet with people who do rebuild trnasmissions, on a huge number of different platforms. It is real, however unlikely it may be to happen to this car. And I would think actually rebuilding transmissions does lend some insight and experience that armchair engineers can only speculate.

Some people rather argue and try to be right without ever even bringing forward a legitimate theory/argument.




As for this thread garnishing more post/views than a "legitimate" technical thread is simple. Usually on a technical thread it takes two post and the answer is found, people already been there done that. This topic is one that apparently not many people know about including yourself. @JoeC

[Wise]

I'm worried that the gravity of the moon is messing up my wheel alignment...

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by stugray

When I FIRST got the car I found myself playing around with the reverse lockout a lot.
After I caught myself ONE TIME shifitng into reverse while still moving forward I STOPPED DOING THAT!
I realized what I was doing before I let the clutch out but it was close.

Whoa! Careful man. I do worry about one day going 60mph and hitting my e-break, but still find myself pressing the button in n out. Should probably have both on steering wheel but...eh... habits die hard.... till you die.

[malave7567]

Does "ever hurting a manual gearbox" include having a gear break? I've done that before lol. Not on this car, but my T50 transmission mated to my old 3TC engine. 5th gear went out with a nice explode-y POP. Drained the transmission oil afterwards to find plenty of pieces of what was once 5th gear.