vid of dealership bouncing frs off rev limiter

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

IF the oil was warm and it was a demo/press fleet car, it really is no big deal. It's stupid and pointless, but honestly nothing to cry about.

Who's crying? And we don't know IF it was warmed up...but I forgot, you're the only one entitled to an opinion around here

PS: Why did they remove the video if it's no big deal?

[StuttterButtter]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

This is why I dislike dealerships. 'Nuff said.

The Toyota dealer i worked NO ONE was this stupid if some one was they get a ear full by are service manager. They did not tolerate this what so ever.

But i cant vouch for any other dealership

[Metallic BRZ]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Dammit, video removed....

Anyone got copy?

It is still in the other thread.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Metallic BRZ

It is still in the other thread.

Nope

[Metallic BRZ]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

Nope

I just looked. It shows up on my iPhone and iPad. Look in the commercial classified section.

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by luxmn

996 posts and 1 thank, so many of us have no brain, or do we

I was here before the frs was cool, before the "thanks" button, before the bandwagon, before frs was a name, and before the ft86 got ugly. Way back then. Before everyone bitched that a sports car was getting beat on.

I want to see more videos like this. I want to see quarter miles and track videos, with the motor screaming at redline and boiling tires off. Not videos of a spotless frs in a climate controlled garage like it seems most of people posting in this thread will do.

But then again I don't have a brain.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Midship Runabout

I was here before the frs was cool, before the "thanks" button, before the bandwagon, before frs was a name, and before the ft86 got ugly. Way back then. Before everyone bitched that a sports car was getting beat on.

I want to see more videos like this. I want to see quarter miles and track videos, with the motor screaming at redline and boiling tires off. Not videos of a spotless frs in a climate controlled garage like it seems most of people posting in this thread will do.

But then again I don't have a brain.

Uhhh no. We want to see the FRS pushed to its limits as well...just while it's actually being DRIVEN, instead of being redlined in a parking lot by people who don't even own the car...

[luxmn]

Originally Posted by Midship Runabout

I was here before the frs was cool, before the "thanks" button, before the bandwagon, before frs was a name, and before the ft86 got ugly. Way back then. Before everyone bitched that a sports car was getting beat on.

I want to see more videos like this. I want to see quarter miles and track videos, with the motor screaming at redline and boiling tires off. Not videos of a spotless frs in a climate controlled garage like it seems most of people posting in this thread will do.

But then again I don't have a brain.

You're here first, good for you but I'm sad that you think bouncing redlines in neutral at stationary is the same as screaming at redline in a quarter mile run.

You and this dealer staff have the same problem of respecting others property, it has nothing to do with the damn car. again, if you insisting on benchmarking the car, take it to the track and do a proper review like others.

And lastly don't bitch me if I baby my car when im not racing. Hit your own kids if you want but don't lecture me to hit mine.

[ruskymx]

I can do a VIN search on Monday and see what the VIN says on Monday about this car in Toyota's inventory system. I hope it doesn't come back a Category "H". Not sure where Toyota gets the "H" from but it means it's been RDR'd (Retail Delivery Report) which means it's been reported sold ina consumers name.

On a side note, I know for a fact I would not want one of the FRS's that were involved in the Yokohama/Scion ride and drive events. The cars I drove had 15-20 miles on them and many of the people that drove them, were beating on them pretty good. I'm not sure what the entire VINs were but some ended in 0079,0080, 0083, and 0084.

I'm guessing that they may have been pre-production cars and may never make it to the public's hands, but if they do.....beware. I'll admit, on my second drive, I had the tranny in manual mode and got close to the rev limiter on a few occasions. The Yoko/Scion people told us it was best to keep the tranny in 2nd for just about the entire course. I'm sure a good driver would've been able to carry enough momentum to get up to 3rd at some points, but I am not one of those drivers and neither was anyone else there that I saw when I was at the event.

The event staff joked about some people that had it in the wrong gear at times (1st) and were bouncing off the rev limiter. I hoping that since they were taking it so lightly is that those cars won't reach the general public and didn't really care much if they were abused.

Ruskymx

[matt30]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

IF the oil was warm and it was a demo/press fleet car, it really is no big deal. It's stupid and pointless, but honestly nothing to cry about.

^this. Not really harmful at all. I've never seen an engine busted or engine life significantly shortened by bouncing off the rev limmiter. Especially with small displacement electronically controlled units like the fa20.

You harm the longevity of your engine more by not doing frequent oil changes in the first few hundred miles, not this kind of hooliganism.

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Who's crying? And we don't know IF it was warmed up...but I forgot, you're the only one entitled to an opinion around here

Irony...

[Big T]

I expect rev limiter videos from all the people saying "its not a big deal" as soon as you take delivery. Look forward to it

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Irony...

Stupidity...just because you trade-in your cars every two years and don't care what happens in the long run to the motor, doesn't mean that we don't care about the longevity of our motors.

And I will restate, if it's "no big deal" why was the video removed by the poster?

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by matt30

^this. Not really harmful at all. I've never seen an engine busted or engine life significantly shortened by bouncing off the rev limmiter. Especially with small displacement electronically controlled units like the fa20.

You harm the longevity of your engine more by not doing frequent oil changes in the first few hundred miles, not this kind of hooliganism.

Okay, so we expect you to give us some videos of you doing this with your car then...

[luxmn]

Originally Posted by matt30

You harm the longevity of your engine more by not doing frequent oil changes in the first few hundred miles, not this kind of hooliganism.

By frequent you mean more than 1 times? In the first few hundreds miles? 1 every 200 300 or st? Did I miss that in the manual? I honestly want to know.

[WingsofWar]

lol this thread reminds me of this..

hell

[fistpoint]

Originally Posted by Big T

I expect rev limiter videos from all the people saying "its not a big deal" as soon as you take delivery. Look forward to it

Not from neutral they won't...

[AshWilliams]

I bet the car was sold. While it's not the smartest thing to do to trash a customer's car then post it on the internet, there really is a lot of leniency as to what a dealer can do to your car--without ever telling you. And the reason they probably pulled the clip is that they don't want an angry customer coming into the stealership with a Youtube clip of their car.

If a car was damaged getting off of the truck, in the lot, etc. the dealer is supposed to disclose that to you (oddly they can still sell it as a "new" car), but many bury that paperwork when you take delivery in the mountain of crap they get you to sign when they do their song and dance--so read carefully if they make you sign any paperwork claiming how they restored your vehicle to new condition. A lot of dealers in the tornado belt do this with lots of hail damaged cars.

There's a local POS Ford dealer around here that recently sold a Raptor. I wandered over to it when I was getting my truck serviced at a nearby dealership... There was mud and pine straw jammed into the underbody nooks and crannies (like it had been in a water crossing) and the bump stops looked beaten up. When a popular car comes out, expect the salesmen to go joyriding in the first few delivered until they get it out of their system. The same happened to the FJ Cruiser when it came out. I saw the first few belching clouds of grey and white smoke as the local dealerships drag raced them up and down the street (and this is a 4WD).

[Rik84]

It's unfortunate that some monkey at a poorly run dealership did this.

Unfortunately though, I don't think this video getting out there will do anything to anyone, as it's common place and just something we as consumers have to deal with.

Also, anyone who is using this as a reason to not take delivery on their unless they watch it roll off the truck is in for a tough go. We aren't looking to buy a limited edition sports car, or even an expensive car.

We're looking at buying a $25,000 - $30,000 coupe, from either Subaru or Scion - neither of which are leaders in client relations.

If we were in the market for at least an M3, C63, M5 etc then demands of watching your special order $125,000 baby come off the back of a truck with white gloves are completely reasonable. The sad state is that we have a warranty that comes with the car, if there's an issue it'll get taken care of.

Makes me sad, but it's the unfortunate truth

[matt30]

Originally Posted by luxmn

By frequent you mean more than 1 times? In the first few hundreds miles? 1 every 200 300 or st? Did I miss that in the manual? I honestly want to know.

For any new engine (boat, motorcycle, car, leafblower) to maintain compression there is always some minor high friction rubbing of the piston rings and piston skirt on the block (same thing with gears). The piston essentially shaves off pieces of the cylinder wall (smoothing out the wall) and eventually those pieces make their way into the oill pan. That's why, if you ever do your own oil change, the first one will always have bits of metal in it. It's important that this metal is removed so it doesn't foul other parts of the engine.

Obviously the cost-benefit of having multiple oil changes probably isn't worth it for most people, so you'll rarely see engines not designed for racing with such requirements.

[matt30]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Okay, so we expect you to give us some videos of you doing this with your car then...

I don't know what this proves other than it's possible. If you wanted some kind of scientific test you would have to compare engines that have 200k+ miles on them.

From an engineering prospective, the damage is negligible. Honestly. I'm not the kind of guy that spreads misinformation. The more people know about how their cars work, the better.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by matt30

I don't know what this proves other than it's possible. If you wanted some kind of scientific test you would have to compare engines that have 200k+ miles on them.

From an engineering prospective, the damage is negligible. Honestly. I'm not the kind of guy that spreads misinformation. The more people know about how their cars work, the better.

Is that why manufacturers (you know, the guys with the scores of engineers working for them) recommend leaving in the factory fill until it is time for the first scheduled oil change?

Factory fill oils usually have specifically formulated compositions designed for the break-in process. Though it is true that the first oil change will yield considerable metal shavings, there is a reason manufacturers don't tell you to get your oil changed as soon as the "break-in" period is over. It is in their best interests to maintain the longevity of their engines since they are the ones on the hook for the powertrain warranty.