BRZ vs 86 vs Miata Roadster TRACK BATTLE

[brz_guy]

When it comes down to it both cars are very similar, but the FRS is more tossable on the track since its suspension is stiffer than the BRZ.

If your a beginner track driver, the BRZ is the ideal car to drive since it's is easier to control to its limit.

Take note, this is for a stock FRS VS a stock BRZ. Modifying them is another story...

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Naoki-san is not driving God, he can squeez some skill to BRZ, but just driving few laps can't figure the limits of this car. VS Tsuchiya-san have driven 86 since proto type, of course he can push more than Naoki-san

few laps on film. i'm sure he's had more than a few laps in the car than what was shown in the vid.

if you've had track time with a car that wasn't yours it takes about 5-7 laps to get comfortable with the car. there are cars that may take less, i drove an elise at laguna seca and within the first lap i could tell what the car was capable of. as the laps progress beyond 7 laps on any car, you find yourself taking a little more speed going into corners because you know what the car can and can't do.

this guy is a professional driver. i find it hard to believe he misjudged the braking point of a 200hp car.

[Subie]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Oh yeah, I like that! It's on the Scion too, right?

It's been confirmed by this document that the FR-S also has this indicator. It's the third bullet-point under the Instrument Panel heading on the first page.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

1/4 mile times with identical powered cars boils down to the driver.

Well thank you for proving my point. There you go, Naoki-san isn't suck

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

few laps on film. i'm sure he's had more than a few laps in the car than what was shown in the vid.

if you've had track time with a car that wasn't yours it takes about 5-7 laps to get comfortable with the car. there are cars that may take less, i drove an elise at laguna seca and within the first lap i could tell what the car was capable of. as the laps progress beyond 7 laps on any car, you find yourself taking a little more speed going into corners because you know what the car can and can't do.

this guy is a professional driver. i find it hard to believe he misjudged the braking point of a 200hp car.

If that's the case, you must be better driver than anyone. We'll be expecting vid of you racing. Without vid, it's just a talk

[reni]

Originally Posted by SeaWall

i would like to see a comparison between the 86 and s2000 please or do they not like to pick on their own size

lolwut
MX-5 and 86 are very close in price, so it makes sense to compare them. s2k is almost $10k more, a totally different league of price/performance.

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

Eh? Um ya that is exactly what I am talking about. And yes you can. 2min 5sec

2013 Scion FR-S Street Test Review - YouTube

I just discovered a serious flaw in the Scion!

53% front, 43% rear... This car has 4% missing!

3:50. This was probably mentioned already but never saw this review before. :P

[Dark]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Well thank you for proving my point. There you go, Naoki-san isn't suck



If that's the case, you must be better driver than anyone. We'll be expecting vid of you racing. Without vid, it's just a talk

Calling someone who is a professional driver "suck", he really needs to prove that he can do better.

[blofeld42]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Meh, relax guys, this is just for out amusement/entertainment.

Exactly. The drivers were having some fun, and the TV station wanted some "heightened reality", so they had the Toyota hang out the tail to play up the supposed handling differences between it and the BRZ. They arranged the cars so the BRZ and Toyota would pass the Miata.

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Well thank you for proving my point. There you go, Naoki-san isn't suck



If that's the case, you must be better driver than anyone. We'll be expecting vid of you racing. Without vid, it's just a talk

some of you don't know the meaning of a debate. some have stated their case that BRZ didn't give up the line but in reality he did. whether the show was biased towards the GT or maybe the BRZ driver just wanted a closer race between the GT. we don't know but a professional driver doesn't make that mistake.

you will probably see a track vid but not racing. we plan on renting Horse Thief Mile later this year and have our first 30 owners drive their cars so they can enjoy it in a track enviroment.

[Kearny Mesa Scion]

Originally Posted by Dark

Calling someone who is a professional driver "suck", he really needs to prove that he can do better.

i said he either "sucked or it was fixed".

people stated who the driver of the BRZ was and rattled off his credentials. so he either slowed down for the GT to make it a closer race or was told that the BRZ could not win during the taping.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

i said he either "sucked or it was fixed".

people stated who the driver of the BRZ was and rattled off his credentials. so he either slowed down for the GT to make it a closer race or was told that the BRZ could not win during the taping.

And the moon landing was staged!

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

i said he either "sucked or it was fixed".

people stated who the driver of the BRZ was and rattled off his credentials. so he either slowed down for the GT to make it a closer race or was told that the BRZ could not win during the taping.

Between those 2, I'll take "fixed" over "sucked".

[KyShro]

Originally Posted by Kearny Mesa Scion

i said he either "sucked or it was fixed".

people stated who the driver of the BRZ was and rattled off his credentials. so he either slowed down for the GT to make it a closer race or was told that the BRZ could not win during the taping.

[tripjammer]

They are shifting at 99 Kilometers per hour in 2nd gear...that is 61.5 MPH.

14.3 1/4 mile in the 86? Damn!

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

They are shifting at 99 Kilometers per hour in 2nd gear...that is 61.5 MPH.

14.3 1/4 mile in the 86? Damn!

Speed lies, adding a few % on top of the true speed.

[Dark]

^^ Yup, speedo speed is always a bit off.

[Grip Ronin]

Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

14.5 1/4 mile isnt too bad, and thats on stock rubber who wants to do under 14 on drag radials ???

yea somewere i heard this car ran a 15.0 stock. id hope for 14s with a hard launch but it doesnt spin much stock it seams. track bite? lol

[Draco-REX]

Good videos. Kind of nails down the FT vs MX-5 question.

[Daemione]

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet . . . 86 in-car footage was a fair bit louder than the BRZ.

An actual difference, or just a product of individual camera/mic & their mounting?

[Enemies]

A better comparison would've been having all 3 drivers drive a few laps around the course in all 3 cars and compared times.

Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist but something definitely seemed a bit off to me about the ease that the 86 passed the BRZ. It may very well be a little faster and handle a bit better, but I don't think the differences are that drastic as to what happened there without driver fault.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Daemione

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet . . . 86 in-car footage was a fair bit louder than the BRZ.

An actual difference, or just a product of individual camera/mic & their mounting?

Didn't Tetsuya Tada mention he didn't like the Subie's soundtrack and had the Toyota guys make some modifications on the 86/FRS?

Also - it is possible that KMS is right in terms of a bias in terms of which driver wins, as Keiichi Tsuchiya is highly-respected (so Naoki may not have wanted to pass him) and pretty much the face of Best Motoring (well, him and Kasumi Kondo). I notice in terms of the battles, Keiichi Tsuchiya wins a lot of them - either this is truly skill, or a mixture of skill, and of the other drivers perhaps letting off a little (but probably not much).

Either way, a N/A 4-cyl in the under $30k price range that hits low 14s for the 1/4 looks pretty good in terms of straightline performance (IIRC, the previous Celica GT-S, also a lightweight high-revver managed low 15s and maybe high 14s with the higher fuel cutoff in earlier models)

[eikond]

I find it interesting that the BRZ was quicker off the line in both videos. I wonder if that's driver skill/feel or if the suspension settings have something to do with that?

Could it be that the difference in spring rates that make the Toyota version more tail-happy give the Subaru the edge keeping traction on the launch? Interesting trade-off if this is true..