|
Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum The place to start for the Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 | GT86 |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
03-07-2014, 05:32 PM | #43 |
Banned
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: FR-S
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,232
Thanks: 61
Thanked 1,728 Times in 786 Posts
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Bet you a pound of your choice of Kicking Horse coffee they do! I'll take the green-top Kick Ass, please!
|
03-07-2014, 06:28 PM | #44 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2006 Cayman S, 2007 Outback 2.5i
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,116
Thanks: 116
Thanked 455 Times in 303 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
The Miata is about 250ish pounds lighter than the FR-S/BRZ. The 370Z is 500ish pounds heavier. Once again, I find it odd that you are complaining about a 250 pound weight penalty relative to a car with 33hp less, no rear seat, and basically no trunk space, but you find a 500 pound weight penalty for a 370Z relative to the BRZ/FR-S acceptable. As for a turbo 86? I honestly don't care that much. I prefer N/A response to turbo. That having been said, extra power doesn't need to mean nearly that much extra weight. The Porsche Cayman (275hp, 2888lb) is only 22 pounds lighter than the Cayman S (325hp, 2910lb). It's possible that they could do a 2.5L BRZ with 230-250hp for a similar kind of weight penalty (or maybe they couldn't - you can't really say without knowing the actual engineering limits behind the current model though). Last edited by chrisl; 03-07-2014 at 07:00 PM. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to chrisl For This Useful Post: | Derickie (03-08-2014) |
03-07-2014, 06:39 PM | #45 |
Banned
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: FR-S
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,232
Thanks: 61
Thanked 1,728 Times in 786 Posts
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
E85, the Open Flash (Vishnu) tune and the Phantom ESC would seem to be the cure for all the complaints.
|
03-07-2014, 06:46 PM | #46 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Drives: 2013 Firestorm FR-S, 2016 DGM WRX
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 4,580
Thanks: 8,264
Thanked 3,118 Times in 1,667 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
|
03-07-2014, 07:16 PM | #47 |
DrivinginDreams...Cloud86
Join Date: Sep 2013
Drives: Toyota GT86
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posts: 1,173
Thanks: 1,481
Thanked 266 Times in 178 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
|
03-07-2014, 07:22 PM | #48 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Drives: 2013 Firestorm FR-S, 2016 DGM WRX
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 4,580
Thanks: 8,264
Thanked 3,118 Times in 1,667 Posts
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
To Install? Takes like 30 minutes for the ESC. In addition the OFT comes pre programmed with the tune for the ESC.
|
03-07-2014, 07:39 PM | #49 |
Banned
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: FR-S
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 2,232
Thanks: 61
Thanked 1,728 Times in 786 Posts
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I DO NOT have the Phantom, but want one. I do have the Vishnu OFT.
The Phantom ESC (Electric Super Charger) is literally a drop-in mod. I does require some electrical work, but nothing as compared to any other FI setup. Stock cars are getting serious gains in HP and torque for little money, and even better, no major surgery to the car. The Vishnu Open Flash Tablet is a ROM flashing doodad. It's "open source" as in the tunes are not proprietary or locked. The tablet is somewhat spendy, but they are moving towards making the box universal. There is freeware ROM editing software for the tunes so you can grenade your own engine if you want. You can run a bone-stock FR-S on E85 with the OFT, and the difference between that and a stock car is remarkable. NOTE: If you google machine, there might be some hits on people who think this tune (and others) might be risky due to fuel pump and valve timing issues. I have used both (stock "Stage 1" gas and E85 tunes in my stock car) and have been amazed, but I am not convinced that either of these are healthy for a stock engine. I'm in the minority, given the "abuse" the FA20 seems able to cope with so far. Links in a bit, I have to pee. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Tromatic For This Useful Post: | kodyo (03-10-2014) |
03-08-2014, 01:18 AM | #50 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Drives: FR-S 10 Series
Location: NY
Posts: 1,062
Thanks: 615
Thanked 347 Times in 251 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
You're right about Nissan and Honda jumping in if the twins were out of the picture. Honda would jump in there but I don't know how -how much can Honda pin all their sport compact hopes on the Civic Si after the '12 Civic fiasco plus they didn't listen to their customer base begging for a K20 in the CRZ with a choice of AT or MT. Nissan has no concept of what an affordable sporty compact car is -they just make lame Sentras and over priced Z cars. |
|
03-08-2014, 01:50 AM | #51 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: Nevermorange FRS
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 4,160
Thanks: 755
Thanked 4,200 Times in 1,803 Posts
Mentioned: 77 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Time to bury the K20 dreams.. bury them deep. What the base should have been asking for was the 1.5L Turbo instead as that's actually feasible from a company economic standpoint as well as an environmental regulatory standpoint.
__________________
SCCA T4 - FRS
|
|
03-08-2014, 02:02 AM | #52 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: Mazda 3
Location: round rock, tx
Posts: 413
Thanks: 487
Thanked 108 Times in 74 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
for example, a civic si is under 3000 lbs but it's softly setup so it struggles with body roll in corners. a mazdaspeed 3 is around 3280 lbs but it drives like it's a lot lighter than the civic and a lot like a sports car. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to autobrz For This Useful Post: | Fortis (03-08-2014) |
03-08-2014, 05:48 AM | #53 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: waiting on a 2021...
Location: Texas
Posts: 770
Thanks: 190
Thanked 410 Times in 233 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
to be very "turbo laggish"...and by the time the motor climbs out of it's torque dip a turbo would be fully spooled up anyway.
__________________
2016 4Runner Tail edition
2020 Camry 2020 RAV4 2013 Chevy 3500 4x4 Duramax 1999 Ford F250 Powerstroke, the tow rig 1969 Mustang, the fast car....(: |
|
03-08-2014, 09:04 PM | #54 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2013
Drives: 2006 Cayman S, 2007 Outback 2.5i
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,116
Thanks: 116
Thanked 455 Times in 303 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Turbo lag isn't having to wait for the RPM to climb in a turbocharged motor until you hit the powerband, turbo lag is how in a turbocharged motor, if you're already in the powerband (say, 5krpm), and you floor the gas, there's a slight delay while the turbo builds boost before you actually get the requested power. A naturally aspirated motor delivers the requested power instantly, though the available power is of course lower (for two otherwise equal motors).
|
03-10-2014, 02:39 PM | #55 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Drives: 2013 FR-S Ultramarine 6MT
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 148
Thanks: 147
Thanked 90 Times in 46 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I hear that they are planning a 600hp version utilizing flux capacitors. Not only will it be fast it will also allow to travel back in time to read the countless comments made about this car and "more" power.
Jeeze, enough already I can't take it anymore! |
03-10-2014, 02:48 PM | #56 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2012
Drives: Nevermorange FRS
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 4,160
Thanks: 755
Thanked 4,200 Times in 1,803 Posts
Mentioned: 77 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
I know this is true because I read it on the internet. After all, they can't put anything on the internet that isn't true.
__________________
SCCA T4 - FRS
|
The Following User Says Thank You to rice_classic For This Useful Post: | rick s (03-10-2014) |
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
North America to get Subaru version but not Toyota version? | Ground N Pound | BRZ First-Gen (2012+) -- General Topics | 42 | 05-29-2014 12:23 AM |
Which version in UAE? | sh4d0w | ASIA | 44 | 09-18-2013 07:44 AM |
Hot Version Vol.116 ft. 86 & BRZ | larryw | BRZ Photos, Videos, Wallpapers, Gallery Forum | 3 | 08-05-2013 02:14 AM |
New hot version | 4agze | Other Vehicles & General Automotive Discussions | 19 | 03-07-2012 09:08 PM |
Do you think we are going to see a trd version or 5axis version of the FRS next week | DIG1992 | Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum | 9 | 01-04-2012 06:59 AM |