Toyota 86 to get power boost with 2015 refresh

[kajun]

Originally Posted by Z-PDX

Interesting. Toyota can't be too happy about all this leaking.

Erm, it's Tada-san talking in a direct interview with the media here in Australia.

[kajun]

Originally Posted by Skyllz

How much you think it would bump the costs to implement VVTi on 2 separate head on a motor? That alone explains why it's not done yet.

You're funny. Variable valve timing was implemented by Subaru years ago on their Boxer engines. What makes you think the FA20 doesn't have this already?

[Wise]

I'm really not satisfied with the "We left it up tot he aftermarket" answer for this car.

I like the stock engine. The torque dip is unfortunate, but there are ways to get around it.

But leaving forced induction up to the aftermarket is kind of useless for the thousands of 86 owners who live in places like Australia where it's a nightmare to legally get an aftermarket turbo or SC kit certified.

I'd rather pay 10k for a factory FI than 5k for an aftermarket, because it means I'll never have to worry about the police pulling me over and slapping me with a defect and an appointment with the EPA.

[Skyllz]

Originally Posted by kajun

You're funny. Variable valve timing was implemented by Subaru years ago on their Boxer engines. What makes you think the FA20 doesn't have this already?

I know Subaru has it's own version of Variable cam timing already. I'm just laughing at people that have no clue how their engine work to begin with...

Kinda like those kids asking for VTEC in a non-vtec motor, like it's just an ECU programmation or something... All they know is that id does not say AVCS or VVTi or VTEC on the valve cover so it does not have it and it's crap, they should put it in to make it better.

Stuff like this is interesting also, had quite a few in my hands physically... They all more or less looks and act the same with little differences that makes them different patent wise and allow manufacturers to claim they are better than others.

But ultimately... it's all the fucking same thing, except for VTEC, that was different back then.

Toyota VVTi: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjIKUrre4FQ"]Inside a Toyota VVT-i Camshaft Gear! - YouTube[/ame]

Subaru AVCS: http://drive2.subaru.com/Win05/AVCS/illustration.gif

Both system are very similar, like all other variable cam timing system...

Hell, even my ford F-150 with the "antiquated 5.4L" has it.
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/...78724_zoom.jpg

So nothing new, here...

[whtchocla7e]

5 years is fine with me, I'll be ready.

But right now, I'm enjoying what I alrelady got.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by Skyllz

I know Subaru has it's own version of Variable cam timing already. I'm just laughing at people that have no clue how their engine work to begin with...

Kinda like those kids asking for VTEC in a non-vtec motor, like it's just an ECU programmation or something... All they know is that id does not say AVCS or VVTi or VTEC on the valve cover so it does not have it and it's crap, they should put it in to make it better.

Stuff like this is interesting also, had quite a few in my hands physically... They all more or less looks and act the same with little differences that makes them different patent wise and allow manufacturers to claim they are better than others.

But ultimately... it's all the fucking same thing, except for VTEC, that was different back then.

Toyota VVTi:

Subaru AVCS: http://drive2.subaru.com/Win05/AVCS/illustration.gif

Both system are very similar, like all other variable cam timing system...

Hell, even my ford F-150 with the "antiquated 5.4L" has it.
http://www.livernoismotorsports.com/...78724_zoom.jpg

So nothing new, here...

Lift is something else entirely.
VVTi != VVTL-i

For example, the Celica GT 1ZZ-FE has VVTi, while the Celica GT-S 2ZZ-GE has VVTL-i

[Mandy]

I have a feeling that if anything it will get the NA Miata treatment. First years had the 1.6L, later years got the 1.8L.

Maybe 2.0L -> 2.2L, something conservative with a mild increase in torque to even out the power curve a lot of people have been griping about.

My only gripe is that I thought it was cool that the bore and the stroke of the motor were both 86, I wonder if with the displacement increase, if they would ditch the 86 side markers. It's one of my personal favorite features of the FR-S/GT86, but it would be more gimmicky in the US without the namesake, despite the AE86 heritage.

If they do go through with it, I might just stop buying first year cars in the future. All that heartache with the refreshes, maybe I'll just pick up and LSX FD one of these days to appease myself.

[jcX4ever]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Lift is something else entirely.
VVTi != VVTL-i

For example, the Celica GT 1ZZ-FE has VVTi, while the Celica GT-S 2ZZ-GE has VVTL-i

For clarity:

The 1zz has VVT-i (intake side only)
The 2zz-GE has both VVT-i (intake side only) and valve LIFT (on both the intake and exhaust side). The LIFT gives the engine dual personality and lovely sound.

VVT-i is not the same as valve LIFT.

in other words.. Cam Phasing is not the same as dual Cam profile.


Most newer Toyota models have Dual VVT-i .. this means that it has cam phasing on both intake and exhaust... Still not the same as valve LIFT.

"Variable valve LIFT" is an advance form of valve LIFT.. basically or arguably can be called as infinite cam profile. .. This is not the same as VVT-i or cam phasing. ,, This has many name depending on the maker.. Toyota calls it Valvematic, BMW calls it Vavletronic etc.. here's more info http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...ine/vvt_5.html

[Z-PDX]

Originally Posted by kajun

Erm, it's Tada-san talking in a direct interview with the media here in Australia.

It is not uncommon in any size business for engineers to get ahead of the larger corporate communications plan...

[xrs]

Dang it. Even though this is just internet rumors, Subaru's no stranger to drop these things on it's customers. While I commend them for listening to their customer base, it can be frustrating. Take the 09 WRX 41 HP bump over an 08 model. Then they pull it off again with the 2011 WRX with the wide body wider track update. I was debating picking up a 2014 later this year but I think this rumor has definitely made that decision a bit more difficult.

[Kilika]

Its to be expected, manufacturers always try to take care of the biggest complaints/requests within 2-4 years of a model's first release. I knew all along thus is why I'm waiting for a MY15. Yeah I miss out by waiting but its not like I'm not doing anything while waiting. Every model has a "spec" to have after years have passed. Kind of like a R1 RX-7, 99 Miata R, 93 MR2 hardtop, etc. I'm thinking the 2015 might just be that model.

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[JR007]

Originally Posted by whtchocla7e

5 years is fine with me, I'll be ready.

But right now, I'm enjoying what I alrelady got.

Yeah, 5 years sounds about right.

[Alfalasy]

I'm looking forward to a track edition version of the 86 something like the TRD Griffon Concept. The current car is good for daily driving and having fun on public roads without breaking the law.

[Wise]

I really wish Toyota would make a limited say run of 100 cars sold with the Sprintex Supercharger fitted from the factory.

Then they could sell it as a TRD bolton and I'd be able to easily get it engineered on the car because it came stock from the factory.

Trying to deal with aftermarket FI in Australia is a nightmare.