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The 124 Abarth should be between $35-$40k and have an options list similar to the 500 Abarth's (mostly comfort/convenience options), meaning a person could probably swing the 4C powered 124 for about $37K base and $42K loaded. If this all ends up being close, what's crazy is that the 124 Abarth will have the same powerplant as the 4C but run about 200 lbs lighter but for $20K less! |
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I think I like some of the Fiat 124 renders better than the MX-5 as well. |
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Since we're just making stuff up we could be seeing a much lower spec car than you're hoping for with the 1.4L MultiAir at 165+hp being the 'Abarth' model and the ~130hp engine from the 500 Turbo as the "comfort" version. I also highly doubt the 2,300 lb claim, the ND is currently hovering around there with a very concentrated effort at weight loss (gram strategy) and a relatively non-complex NA 2L engine, is a pneumatic valvetrain turbo engine really going to slide in lighter? Is FCA going to spend a bunch of money on lightweight components for a Fiat when they seem to have trouble moving <$20k econo-boxes? |
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Probably less than a timing chain/belt failure?
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But it's not grabbing anything from thin air (unliike most of the misinformed AWD BRZ knucklehead posts we've seen). False equivalency dude. Fiat has strongly signaled the predictions I posted. Quote:
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Nothing has been more speculative than the pricing; Fiat isnt crazy but even you admitted a $40k 1.7l at 2300lbs is crazy. It seems like whatever they will build is going to be a fun ride.
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Ah the Miata Mazda refuses to give us. My guess is that they'll just give us the Abarth 500 engine. Can't wait to see how it looks.
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The Abarth in the US is 160 hp. I agree with strat, the 124 base will have 130 hp, the 124 Abarth will have 160 or a handful more, both using the 1.4 turbo engine.
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I never said it was impossible, I just doubt it's likely. Hell it's possible that the Abarth 124 will be limited to the ~130 hp motor and the base 124 with 100 horses, it is after all a Fiat, a company that publicly wanted to chase 'largest automaker by volume' you don't do that with a $30k roadster, but a ~$20k roadster would probably move quite a few units... Not to mention stick with the heritage that the Fiat 124 was never a speed demon, although looking at wiki the ~126hp Abarth Rally was probably a real hoot at <2,000 lbs. I've seen too many rumors the past three years paying attention to modern cars, a 200+ hp, 2,300 lb roadster from anybody not Lotus or Caterham is unheard of, much less one readily available in US dealerships with an actual network behind it at anything less than $50k. I'll file it right next to all those turbo Miata rumors from last year, that even had a published video from Mazda to fuel the fire. http://jalopnik.com/the-2016-mazda-m...ged-1599646738 Although I wouldn't mind seeing these "strong signals" that FCA is thinking about building such a car, but please don't link back to the same article we've been discussing. Also, the Euro 500 Abarth SS reviewed on Top Gear about 6 years ago has the same power outputs and a lighter curb weight than the U.S. version along with slightly different suspension tuning. At least that was the story in 2012 when it was released here and I was shopping for one. P.S. the thread killer is not malicious, rather lamenting as I seem to kill many a lively debate with my... well, I've been accused at not having any friends and being kicked out/not invited to parties by other posters. |
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I won't bother refuting any of your speculation that you feel is stronger than mine. I've heard enough from Fiat to believe otherwise, and arguing that point is a fool's folly. Your post script on the other hand... now why would someone say such a mean thing?
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"heard enough from fiat"
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Would rather have Mazda reliability than Fiat reliability. Also, would rather NA than FI.
Why? Because eventually I will be forced into FI because that's the trend but until then I'm gonna hang on for dear life to what I love.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2015/07/20/f...quality-award/ Times are a changin'. Agreed, would rather NA if possible. That's where that new Ferrari dervied V6 FCA is sprinkling in their performance lineup is so appealing (Alpha 6C ftw!). |
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