[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by poptart

A question...

Towards the end of the video, the reviewer says the ap2 S2000 is a "far superior" sportscar to a stock FR-S/BRZ.

But just a few minutes before that, he said if the modded FR-S with dampers, brakes, and forced induction was the "STI/TRD" car and it only had the same wheel hp as the Honda, it would be better than the S2000.

Aside from non performance stuff like cheap plastic switches, the only thing he really complained about the stock 86 car was the lack of power. He never said anything bad about the brakes or suspension or anything. In fact, he liked the BRZ power steering better and reiterated the lack of horsepower was holding back the chassis capabilities.

The S2000 has 240hp against only 200hp of the BRZ, and that makes the S2000 "far superior" ?

I'm trying to decide how much if his comments are hyperbole.

I ride sportbikes and after a test drive, I certainly didn't think the BRZ was fast. But I didn't find it that lacking either. 40hp doesn't sound like that much. I haven't driven an S2000 but I can't see that making a night and day difference. But apparently that alone is enough to make it a better sportscar than a FR-S/BRZ ?

I have about 7 review videos on the FRS stock and with modification, so I did not go into great detail here, but certainly left a few things out of the 2nd video.

But to cut to the chase, the 86 really does have the better balanced chassis and Aero, and brakes don't overheat like the S2000 stock vs. stock. (with real pads) In so many ways the 86 is a better car.

But as in the video, Honda's engineer said it best and assuming you fit into an S2000, when you drive that car top down and you feel the harmony of the motor and trans and the twitchy nature of the car. As a driver it puts me into a satisfied state most cars can't. it's a visceral drivers car, it's only as good as the driver. The biggest complaint 14 years ago was the lack of power/TQ the S2000 made.

And its true it does not have a ton of power, but there is a sensation and rush to it much like a sports bike.

When you drive the cars back to back its very clear how underpowered and sedate the 86 motor is, even pumping induction noise into the cabin it just does not stir the senses as well. There is more to it of course but no point rambling.

Originally Posted by l0aded

I love your videoes.

Thanks, makes it more fun to make them when people actual enjoy them.

Originally Posted by thill

It is more than just horsepower with forced induction. You are getting more torque and running a tune that results in much more linear power. It is no secret that the stock tune on the FR-S/BRZ is not ideal as there is a torque dip. IMHO, I think the stock car is lacking torque more than anything which can make the car feel like it is going slower than it actually is. Also keep in mind the weight of the car relative to that 40hp/40tq increase. On a 3300lbs car it won't feel as dramatic as it does on a 2800lbs car that has such a dialed in chasis.

I would also recommend you watch some of Dezoris others videos on his FR-S since he has really detailed everything he put into his modded car.

That's exactly how I feel. Most don't get power numbers are all relative to weight.

Originally Posted by eddieflyinv

great review, despite your apparent love for the s2k you managed to come across without seeming overly biased,
coming from fwd vws (which still hold some place in my heart) i fell in love with the frs, and it really is the simplicity that i like about it; the lack of 100 different buttons to control the radio, nothing flashy about the interior, the cockpit feel where anything that matters is in arms reach right there in front of you, everything about it is just about driving and i couldnt ask for anything else, definitely couldve used more power from factory actually, but ill sort that out on my own lol

That's what makes the car great and why its the biggest new tuner car. Price is low enough to screw around with things. There is nothing out there quite like it and has huge potential as a platform.

I just continue to wish for that factory hi-performance trim with a warranty.