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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Models are one thing and provide a 'departure point' but this can be way the heck off too...

adapting to your tires, track, climate etc are another can or worms

Valid points, but a good model will take all those in to consideration. With Forza, you cannot change those aspects, but it's still useful to get ideas. It's not meant to give you the exact setup sheet.

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

I've got a setup I'm proving each time I track, and pretty happy with where its at. Soon i will try and get out to play with some other properly built cars I see floating around in SoCal to see what fine tuning is needed. I am of the opinion there are two slightly different schools of setup thought, drift and grip, and everything in between so be careful who you listen to as it can be good or bad advice depending on what you want.

Good drift setups aren't that different from grip setups at the suspension level. It's not all stiff rear oversteer like people believe it to be. They will actually tend to understeer at corner entry. High powered drift cars will actually be quite soft in the rear to get traction under throttle application. Where they largely diverge is in the drivetrain. They use a much more aggressive differential setting to get the rear wheels to lock.

Originally Posted by zohare

Ok. Figured. More looking for a good baseline to start at. Looking at going with Ceika Coilovers, which are made to order. Check em out. Might bite a bullet and try one of their BBKs too. The IS300 and supra guys seem familiar and haven't had any issues. Biggest downside is the cost of pads and rotors compared to a Wilwood kit. But at least for the coilovers, I could choose what damping rates and such I want, which might be better than some or worse. As it is always said, am I really going to be able to make a better choice than a company that has thousands in R&D and hours on a track? Probably not. The idea is still tempting...

You may want to ask in the general suspension section about specific brands; this thread is for the nerds who want to theorize, analyze, and bounce ideas off each other.

Originally Posted by Gunman

Then you can go more exotic with a third spring on the bar, to resist dive. I wouldn't suggest this for the at home tuner.

That would be extremely challenging to package on the front, you'd probably have to ditch the MacP system altogether lol. The rear wouldn't be as bad.

Originally Posted by robispec

or go with a front lower control arm solution that resists dive (and is adjustable so you get the anti dive that you want..).

but that is just one more thing to tune i guess...lol

Antis are very appealing from an engineering point if you can get it right. I've heard a few driver complaints though, saying they lose feel if the anti is too aggressive, due to forces being transmitted through the arms rather than the dampers. However, I cannot verify since I've not aggressively changed the anti on my personal car. Did you notice a change in feel?

Originally Posted by Gunman

Suspension tuning is much like a can of worms

lol, can of worms is easy. Finding the right setup is more like finding a needle in a stack of needles.