[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The Supra was raced and was built to compete (the best it could) with the Skyline and other track focused cars, but it did it with reliability and brute strength. The performance you see from the MKIV is mostly drag and rolling highway races. I know the market is oober track focused these days, but Toyota never said it was their intention to design a track monster from their grand touring sports car—just a drive focused car. Do you think Aston Martin cares or their buyers care that the V12 Vantage S in 2014 ran a 7:52 or their 2017 V8 Vantage GT8 ran a 7:50?

The supped up Civic was faster than these new cars: 718 Cayman S (7:46), the Audi TTRS (7:48), Lotus Exige (7:48), BMW M2 Competition (7:52), etc, not to mention a whole host of other cars just five to ten years ago we would car supercars or hypercars like a Bugatti and a Zonda (7:44) or Audi R8, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, etc.

And what if the time they release is 7:38? Then will you sigh in relief?

Relief? No, but it'll better justify it's price tag.

I still have no interest in this car. For 35-40K.. maybe. Actually, I'd be far more interested just if it were a Toyota effort vs BMW. I refuse to ever touch another modern BMW.