FR-S vs BRZ
Here's what I heard about the FR-S/GT86 vs BRZ this year (from FR-S/BRZ Owners and public forums):
"It's basically a SUBARU" - FALSE Although it's built in a Subaru factory and carries a BOXER engine, yes the engine is Subaru, but technically it's a joint project with the following breakdown: CAR DESIGN BRIEF: Akio Toyoda wanted to build “a sports car, bringing the passion back” in Toyota’s lineup. Toyota’s chief project engineer, Tetsuya Tada, proposed a true sports car setup; rear wheel drive (without 4WD, mid-engine and/or turbo), something fun to drive (not powerful), low centre of gravity, and affordable (missing in the market place). Toshio Masuda, Subaru’s senior general manager questioned Toyota’s basic concept; he wanted a turbo engine and 4WD. He didn’t get it and didn’t think it was possible (probably being owned by GM for a while brainwashed him, but luckily Toyota owns 16.5% of Subaru now, so he will be cured soon). NOTE: In design, the design brief is the key mastermind of a final piece. Like in movies and art pieces the author, director or artist is the credited designer of a piece. (Apple doesn't have factories, they source it to existing investments like Foxconn and other factories to create these products, Can Foxconn say it's the creator? No It's just a Manufacturer, but of course in Subaru's case, it's different and they hold partial ownership). BIG WIN: After the prototype was showcased to reporters and Subaru, they were won over. The partnership started; SUBARU: Needed a good looking vehicle/coupe in their lineup, their current lineup was performance driven but amazing "flat" in looks Toyota: Had ownership in Subaru, to cut factory cost, they used existing resources; Subuaru’s factories (bringing the vehicle price affordable (doesn’t make sense to build a $500 Million factory just to build the GT86 or else MSRP may be $50,000) R&D DRIVER: Toyota’s Chief Test Driver; Akihiro (didn’t like the prototype; he made the development team achieve the following; smooth suspension stroke for comfortable ride, amazing handling and movement that defies the moment of inertia (super stable, with LSD, etc.) Tested globally with the Toyota and Subaru team. EXTERIOR DESIGN: JAPANESE DESIGN: SPORTS 800, GT2000 and AE86 inspired Toyota’s Japanese Design Team were chosen amongst their global design team from their North American and Europe counterparts, to keep it “Japanese” INTERIOR DESIGN: NEO-FUNCTIONALISM from Toyota’s Philosophy (shared by Subaru also) to not distract the driver from driving experience TRANSMISSION: MANUAL: BUILT BY AISIN (part of Toyota) AUTOMATIC: 6 speed version, taken from Lexus ISF ($100K car) INJECTION SYSTEM: D-4S: Toyota was developing this future system for their cars, made the 200HP possible and fuel economy amazing ENGINE: SUBARU boxer engine SUSPENSION: REAR double wishbone and front suspension borrowed from Subaru STI CONCLUSION: Without Toyota’s boyish good looks and design philosophy/initiation/brief, transmission system, practical interior, driver and Subaru’s engine, suspension and their joint venture in tuning this car, it wouldn’t be possible. So please don’t say it’s just a Subaru, it’s not just the engine that makes the car. Therefore it is a Toyotabaru. They both credit and they both made it their own. A perfect example is the Celica engine in the Lotus Elise, although it’s a joint venture, in the end It’s not a TOYOTA, it’s still a LOTUS ELISE. |
It's a Scion, doofus!
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LOL Is it bad that the only thing new that I've learned in this, is that you have an incredibly funny username?
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Look under the hood, your insurance paper and transponder paper work it says, "Toyota". The only reason why it's under Scion in North America is sales are declining for them and it fits under their current car lineup. It's more of a sub-brand. |
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The subject has been beaten to death, don't take any replies in this thread very seriously including mine. I was sarcastic, just play along...
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I asked my 8 year old cousin, he was able to tell me the focus of my post. I'm sure you will too if you read it again. |
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I've only been on this forum since March, and I feel like this is probably the 3,456,929th time I've heard this $#!t. Yes, it's a joint venture. Thank you for your input. Please use the search feature next time. |
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What's with people guessing my age on the internet? How the hell could you know?
It's not unreasonable to call it one car or the other. What's unreasonable is to try and discredit one manufacturer's involvement over the other. It is a symbiotic relationship that allowed them to build this car. Neither one could have done it without the other. The brightest minds from both manufacturers collaborated to build this wonderful car. The result is brilliant. It is a Toyobaru, indeed. Feel the love! |
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