Has any FRS/BRZ fallen to LS V8 engine swap?
 

The similarly classed cars that came before the FRS/BRZ such as Miata, 180sx, 240sx, and RX-7 (non-turbo) were fitted with LSx engine by those who don't want to go JDM route of boosting with complicated parts and convoluted set-up associated with it. The results of cars swapped with LS were extremely favorable... with obvious increase in hp/tq and almost negligible change in weight and weight distribution.

Will the BRZ/FRS also follow the same fate a couple of years from now?

Yes. I don't imagine there are many cars out there that haven't had an LSx thrown into them.

Heard someone is already working on it..... sadly.

When I was in college there was a kid with a Porsche 944 with a LS1 in it. Blasphemy if you ask me.

Why? I bet the LS1 is lighter than the 944 engine.

-J

Doubling the output while not disturbing the weight distribution is simply too good to pass. With LS's favorable packaging, I bet it can also be mounted low too.

It's the whole fact it's a Chevy motor in a Porsche. I guess if the Porsche motor is dead, maybe it would be cheaper to put in a LS1, still, I would never do it.

I wouldn't mind it. The LS is a pretty compact V8.

Still in the honeymoon phase. It will happen. Just too early now. :happy0180: Also keen to seeing swaps using a toyota/Lexus V8.

You've got a Subaru motor in a Scion/Toyota.

Saturn put a Honda V6 in their Vue crossover.

Lotus shoves Toyota engines into their sports cars.

Nissan is set to share engines with Mercedes.


Even manufacturers do it too. :)

Yes, Auto Makers do share to make there cars better, why reinvent the wheel when another company has what you want. But to put a motor in a car that is from another manufacturer is Sacrilegious.

GM used Honda V6's and Toyota I-4 cause GM sucks in those areas.
Lotus doesn't make motors so they outsource.

Nothing wrong with collaboration, because it's a win-win just like Mitsubishi, Dodge, Hyundai. You get the 4B11

I'd rather call that a General Motor (GM), but if you insist calling it 'chevy'..... :iono:

That LS engine architecture has Le-Mans Proven reliability & durability... and victories behind it. It's a 'general motor' that can be fit in almost any FR cars even as small as Miata from 20 yrs ago without disturbing weight distribution.

GM's LS engine is almost inescapable & unavoidable option to any longitudinal engine-mounted rear drive cars our there... any brand and any model year since 1960.

Fine, putting that GM motor in a Porsche is blasphemy. Does that make you feel better?

I'd have to 100% agree.

We may call it "sacrilegious" & "blasphemy" to the guy you saw did to his 944 but...

Porsche has not made front longitudinal engine-mounted rear drive car for decades now, and I bet Porsche 944's chassis usually outlasts the life of the engine...

... so that makes LS swap the only logical choice.



The scenario above is ideally the ethical way to do the engine swap, especially if the chassis has outlasted the engine and the manufacturer no longer offers parts & support for the engine.

You'll really hate this then.

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Porsche makes 4.8 V8 and has made it for quite sometime and is in the Cayenne and the Panamera.

The only reason to go outside of the Porsche line of motors it because they are much much more $$$$. When you can get a LSX motor for a couple of Thousand and want to do it on the cheap.

:paddle:

God forbid the motor blows and I'm at fault, you better believe I'm going to try to cram an LSx in there.

If I own my car long enough to the point where the warranty is long expired and I no longer care about resale, this is something I wouldn't hesitate to do. Although it would not be a cheap nor easy exercise, you'd have a damn serious car. I think dry sumping would be your only option given the low hood line of this car.

I can see where your coming from with this. I personally had a 944 N/A as a daily for some time. They are prone to T-Belt snapping and the power from the 2.5 is not overly impressive. The car was a blast to drive and I can just imagine what doubling the power would do.:confused0068:

If it were mine, I would probably do it. If the car was a 951, that would be a different story.:party0030:

Have a good day

FR-S hoodline is a lot higher than an S2000 or FD RX-7, wet-sump oil pan LS engines have gone into those without major difficulties...

LSX FR-S/BRZ would be kick-ass, but the weight distribution isn't conducive to putting big power down. LS swapped into a 240Z, RX-7, or S2000 will still result in ~50/50 weight distribution (my FD measured exactly 50.0/50.0 with driver and 1/2 tank). FR-S is 55/45 stock, even if that is maintained it's a lot less weight on the drive wheels => less forward thrust available in the lower gears.

But it would still be a ton of fun :D

I am hoping for it, personally.

I haven't Googled it yet but have we seen a 2JZ-GTE in it yet?

Weight f/r weight distribution might be close to stock, but the roll couple most certainly won't be. So people are okay with ruining car's hadling in their quest for more power, but that begs the question why did they buy this car in the first place?

LSx motors don't rev the way I like, for my taste. Just my taste, mind. That said they are powerful and relatively light, provided you don't cheap out and buy an old one like so many people who do LS swaps do-- they say "it weighs the same" without actually weighing the one they're putting in then wonder why their car handles like crap all of a sudden.

I don't honestly know if you'd get an LSx into this chas' without causing some balance issues. Why not just a big boxer? Be interesting to see an air-cooled Porsche 6 in it. .. ruin the weight balance, again, but hey.

PS; I'm not saying, before the LS guys jump all over me, that it's not a flexible, useful engine. I just love things that scream. And if they don't scream they have to howl. Rumbles aren't my thing-- give me a Chev DZ302, balanced and set up for 9,000 RPM. That's a V8 to my taste.

I wouldn't want my FR-S to sound like a Harley..... just my opinion.

Only if u were to run a custom dry sump... Wouldnt be very cheap....



I just sold my manual Ute that had an LS2 in it.... I love the LS motors but i wouldnt drop into the 86... Id prefer to look at a Cosworth set up.... But there will be plenty of 86 LS powered cars getting around in the future.... A pic of my ute...http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/ca...2362945114.jpg 400rwhp in 1500kg and no weight over the back wheels always kept me busy lol.......

I believe one of the drift teams has already done this. Someone has also put an STI engine in one as well.

Seems like this car fits perfectly the motor swap club.

Having once replaced the waterpump (and the timing and balancer belts while I was at it, since I was in there...) on a 944, I can see the appeal in having an LS1 instead. Hell, For the time it took me, I *could* have done the swap.

So now his Porsche can go ass end into a tree even quicker!

As far as a BRZ with it.......:barf:

You're moving all the reciprocating mass upwards, even if you can mount it low. Then there's the extra weight of the engine, weight distribution being thrown off, e.t.c.

Did you know that LS1 swaps into S13 and S14 240SX's shave off ~200lbs. That's a mega upgrade.

As a former Pignose coupe owner I know. The thing is, the 240's stock mill is iron block, while the LS is aluminum. The BRZ's engine is already aluminum, at this point you're adding weight.

Absolutely. I knew it wouldn't be any sort of humongous upgrade for the BRZ. Though there are tons of people that do it for sh!ts and giggles.

This is the first thought that came to mind when I heard of a light weight RWD sports car.. If I had the money I would take the stroked LS1 out of my GTO and swap it into one.

Plus if you could get a cam only LS3 to hook it would run mid 10's all day long.. Yum Yum .. End up with a crazy fast car with great DD manners.. That still handed better then the average sports car..

At least you could change spark plugs after a swap..

Done. Borrowed this from my buddy's G8 GXP. Totally good for like 465WHP.

Le super sigh

/want

Photochop? How does the hood close?

It's just the engine cover...