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Dezoris 08-19-2014 09:42 AM

S2000 vs FR-S BRZ Review | Video Part 1
 
S2000 vs FRS (GT86 BRZ) Full Review | Part 1 of 2


After about 2 months of planning we bring what we hope is the best 86 vs. S2000 comparison on the internet to date. Part 1 covers the history of both cars and just how similar the goals were but just how differently they turned out.

Part 2 will be released in September covering the full performance aspects of the cars on track.

VIDEO


Whether you like our style or not your feedback is greatly welcome on what you feel was left out.


S2000
0:00 - 0:52 Introduction Montage
0:52 - 2:32 The History and Chief Engineer Shigeru Uehara
2:32 - 6:07 Under the Skin with Turbowski
6:07 - 9:02 Getting Inside
9:02 - 11:22 Driving Impressions Analog vs Digital
11:23 - 11:43 Learning the Hard Way - RIP
11:45 - 12:17 S2000 Final Thoughts

GT86 - FR-S - BRZ and Supercharged FR-S
12:17 - 14:12 The 86 Platform History with Engineers Tada San
14:12 - 16:10 Interior Overview and Engineering
16:11 - 18:01 Driving the Stock BRZ, FR-S and GT86
18:01 - 19:57 Driving the Supercharged FR-S
20:00 - 20:45 Final Thoughts and Track Review Coming Soon
20:45 Outtakes


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Ernie L 08-19-2014 11:16 AM

I see by your aviator style sunglasses that you are now incorporating period costume into your video productions. Gives it that 90's vibe... nice touch.

Tt3Sheppard 08-19-2014 11:21 AM

I love the S2000 but when I see this: Used 2006 Honda S2000 $15,995

Mileage: 158,594

I want to vomit.

Dezoris 08-19-2014 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernie L (Post 1906502)
I see by your aviator style sunglasses that you are now incorporating period costume into your video productions. Gives it that 90's vibe... nice touch.

My underwear are also vintage worn for two weeks straight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tt3Sheppard (Post 1906507)
I love the S2000 but when I see this: Used 2006 Honda S2000 $15,995

Mileage: 158,594

I want to vomit.

The prices online are so over inflated, half are listed just to falsely inflate values I am certain of it. When I was looking for the 2005, I called every single person with low miles and high price including email. None of them responded. Not just a few either like 20 or more of them.

PHLonomenal 08-19-2014 11:39 AM

Good vid

8R6 08-19-2014 12:36 PM

as much as i love my frs and that toyota created a new affordable FR coupe, i still think my previous ap2 is the best sports car ever (minus luxury brands)

Fussy08X 08-19-2014 01:27 PM

Thanks for that review. I enjoyed watching it and learning about the history of the s2000 and how it was built with similar principles to the 86. Had a good laugh at some of your humour as well.

Demandred7 08-19-2014 02:06 PM

Love the bluntness and humour of your reviews. I also enjoyed the background and history on each car. It is hard to believe it has been so long since both the S2000 and NSX were originally developed. There needs to be more cars of similar spirit on the road. There are too many people nowadays that have no concept of driving enjoyment and only want an appliance that gets them from A to B.

Dustin 08-19-2014 02:28 PM

Great video as always. Looking forward to the next one. The S2000 was definitely a great car for it's time.

Dezoris 08-19-2014 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Demandred7 (Post 1906823)
Love the bluntness and humour of your reviews. I also enjoyed the background and history on each car. It is hard to believe it has been so long since both the S2000 and NSX were originally developed. There needs to be more cars of similar spirit on the road. There are too many people nowadays that have no concept of driving enjoyment and only want an appliance that gets them from A to B.

Thanks, it's hard to these points across without rambling.
A lot of what was left out was, in fairness the days of the S2000 and NSX are gone. Affordable high strung NA cars are reserved for low production niche market models due to emissions and all the other modern changes.

Sure we have, Atoms, Lotus, Catherhams, Monos etc.
But try actually enjoying those cars on the road for more than a week at a time. We don't have many options for road cars with a harder edge.

I am not sure if there is a true cause is why we diverted to anti-driver cars. Cost? Practicality? Priorities?

thill 08-19-2014 02:59 PM

Really enjoyed Part 1. I think you really captured the spirit of both projects/cars and highlighted what makes these cars special, and what the drawbacks are.

Loved the discussion around the throttle cable vs a computer controlling your throttle response. I am shopping for a third fun car right now (Miata/S2K) and this is something I have noticed when test driving these older cars. They just make you feel more connected to the car. I drove a 1995 Miata R two weeks ago that has manual steering and it was such a blast. My wife would hate it, and it is not something I would want to daily drive, but there is so much direct feedback...

Dezoris 08-19-2014 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thill (Post 1906905)
Really enjoyed Part 1. I think you really captured the spirit of both projects/cars and highlighted what makes these cars special, and what the drawbacks are.

Loved the discussion around the throttle cable vs a computer controlling your throttle response. I am shopping for a third fun car right now (Miata/S2K) and this is something I have noticed when test driving these older cars. They just make you feel more connected to the car. I drove a 1995 Miata R two weeks ago that has manual steering and it was such a blast. My wife would hate it, and it is not something I would want to daily drive, but there is so much direct feedback...

Glad it worked.
It's pretty clear we are in an age where designers and engineers are obsessed with having ecu control over everything, windows, doors, switches etc.

Steer by wire and brake by wire are next. The older Miatas are definitely as most manual as you can get of any moder sporty car. Direct feeback is something missing now, and almost off when you feel it again. Miata Manual steering racks, no ABS even in the older ones makes from some very fun driving assuming you are not stuck in traffic with goats.

Tt3Sheppard 08-19-2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezoris (Post 1906520)
My underwear are also vintage worn for two weeks straight.



The prices online are so over inflated, half are listed just to falsely inflate values I am certain of it. When I was looking for the 2005, I called every single person with low miles and high price including email. None of them responded. Not just a few either like 20 or more of them.

I'm not surprised at all. This one I posted I've actually seen in person. These people are nuts asking for that price for a car like that in Massachusetts! I'm pretty sure the FR-S is worth less than that asking price with 40,000miles

Rampage 08-19-2014 03:36 PM

Great video as usual. I really enjoy watching them except how you constantly call the cars "piles". Sometimes I wonder if there is a car on the planet that you and Turbowski actually like. I am really looking forward to the track and performance section of the video.


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