I totally agree with you WingsofWar. The only time a N/A engine feels more energetic and torquey in the low to mid range is when the displacement is really good or else you'll want to go F/I. Generally a 2.0 liter will make 140 lb of torque but when it's available high and linked to 2700 or 2800 lbs of curb weight the car will feel like an economy car in most DD situations. A 2.5 would've been much better IMHO.
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As all the Toyota representatives [designers, testers, and execs] keep saying, the car will be about balance and the connection between driver and machine. A sweet sounding and reacting N/A engine is a fantastic foundation for such a balanced machine. |
One thing that would liven a 4cyl is a nice close ratio 6spd to multiply that TQ if you don't plan on going over 140mph that is.
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Now although I do prefer turbo, if it can put down the same hp as the 2010 Civic Si, give a similar engine sound and weighs less than the civic, then I will say this car will do well. I had a 08' Fiji Blue Civic Si as a loaner car, and it's quick for a 4 door, very tight chassis and responsive engine. I think the faith in the Subaru boxer producing an efficient 200hp with room to adapt to mods is the question at hand. Subaru mills are not known for their high revs or n/a configs, big displacement and turbo is what they do at best. Yamaha can only do so much to the limit of that block. |
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Again, you're missing the point. If you're that worried about what other people are doing, then stick to a car that compensates for your tiny Johnson. Quote:
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And I'd choose a good N/A over turbo for fun driving but I'm just a newb to this conversation :bonk:. |
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Your right though, Subaru engines have never been hardcore performers in general. Just by slapping on a big turbo on the STIs EJ255/EJ257, didn't make the engine marvelous by design. They were still pretty basic EJ25s. Which could have seen some factory improvements. If Toyota, Yamaha & Subaru did come together to make a performer N/A, they have to do much much more than a reworked head and a high C/R. |
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The problem with those cars are they're old, I just feel in 2012 a RWD sports car that I'm going to pay $25k for should outshine those cars in stock form. The FB series although new was formed from the Tribeca H6. They started the asymmetric rod deal in Subarus line up. History would say Subaru are not good n/a performers.. The celica was bumped from 130s to 189hp with the help of Yamaha but that engine did not respond well to mods, not like a Hondas bseries and kseries. You could easily dropped $1500 on quality i/h/e in that mill and it would get what? 15rwhp and the power curves would be screwy. So that's why subaru + yamaha causes skepticism for people like me, although most people are getting hyped. |
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You're also choosing to pick part what I said, again I basically said my car is wider, heavier and stuffed with 275s to keep it planted. Although it's the same wheelbase like you mentioned(woops) the overall length is not, which can play with aero, keeping it steady and planted in high speed straights. |
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Gosh you guys, he specifically asked to keep this topic non-turbo.
Attachment 1922 200PS is plenty of power to get out of it's way :bellyroll: :slap: but you might have to down shift to put it in it's power band. |
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