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JDL 4-1 dyno results

Ace A350 header vs JDL 4-to-1. Green = stock, Orange = Ace A350, Blue = JDL 4-to-1. All dynos on ACN91.

https://i.imgur.com/7VnPcO1.png

The "dip" on the Ace header in this graph is an anomaly. Here's a full set of Ace dynos to verify.

https://i.imgur.com/KbWbXvO.png

The JDL 4-1 completely obliterates the torque dip. Long story short, the JDL makes the same peak area under the curve as the Ace from 6500-7400, which is important if you're shifting at redline and want maximum acceleration. If you want maximum bang for your buck for top end power, go with the JDL 4-1.

The A350 has a vastly larger midrange powerband, yielding larger overall gains area under the curve, but comes at a premium price. If you want the best powerband available NA, go with the Ace A350.

Both headers are engine limited up top, rather than flow limited.

For FI results with a supercharger, see this thread, that compares a Ace A350 vs Gruppe-S header, both on a JRSC + HBP + Ethanol. The Gruppe-S header is on a straight E85 tune, whereas the Ace A350 is on a Flex tune with E70. Straight E85 tunes will always make more power than a Flex tune. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=5027

CSG has packages available for both the JDL 4-1 and Ace A350 4-2-1 headers that include tunes.

*edit*

Been informed this is the 4-1 header. Post corrected.

Finally some data I've been waiting for. It's good to see the JDL 4-2-1 against the ACE and a stock tune. I have a set of the JDL 4-2-1's with a black coating sitting behind me in my room waiting for me to put them on. They still seem to be pretty awesome and its great to see that it destroys the torque dip! Just sucks that the gains aren't as good as I hoped for. Makes me wonder if I shoulda busted the extra $500 for the ace headers. :s honestly seems similar to a cheap UEL set up...but like almost twice the price for the jdl's. RIP

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Originally Posted by MilkyWitness (Post 3238143)

you should. Get the good stuff. There are very few times in the auto scene where 1 part is so obviously better.

JDL 4-2-1 dyno results

Thanks for sharing this in a separate thread for visibility Mike.

For everyone’s reference, below are my results on my car plus findings and musings, posted previously:

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Originally Posted by JBezugs (Post 3217764)

So to backtrack a bit on the JDL 4-2-1 header from a purchasing decision and onward from there:

When I bought this car, my original plan was to eventually upgrade the header to try to eliminate the torque dip when I could justify it and was comfortable with foregoing some warranty. I was after the highest possible gains, and I'm not a fan of the UEL sound on the Toyobaru twins (with classic WRXes it's a different story), so naturally that lead me to the ACE A350. However, in Canada, where the weaker Canadian dollar, shipping fees and taxes/duties are the enemy, the ACE A350 was really cost prohibitive compared to other, more common options.

When JDL released their 4-2-1 EL header, I was definitely intrigued given their reputation of offering very high quality parts that provide some of the best gains in their class at very reasonable prices. I was hoping that the 4-2-1 EL header would be more similar in price (in Canada) to their UEL or 4-1 EL offering compared to the ACE, and I was not disappointed.

Compared to the ACE A350 (non-coated) and a Delicious Tuning remote ECUTek tune, it cost me over $1000 less to get the JDL 4-2-1 (w/ full cerakoting) and a custom dyno tune with OnPoint Dyno.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...qjpgpyb9ip.png

Sasha said that it’s one of the highest HP NA BRZ’s he’s ever had. Car pulls strong right to redline and the torque dip is all but gone. These numbers are with the stock intake, stock overpipe and stock front pipe still in place.

For reference, this dyno is a bit of a heartbreaker... stock BRZ’s typically make anywhere from 140 to 155hp on this dyno.

For more reference, a 2014 FRS with a catless JDL UEL header made 166whp on the same dyno.

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3238072)

The "dip" on the Ace header in this graph is an anomaly. Here's a full set of Ace dynos to verify.

https://i.imgur.com/KbWbXvO.png

Here's a quick and dirty overlay of the seperated ACE Dynos on the comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/HUSzgCf.png

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Originally Posted by JBezugs (Post 3238264)

Here's a quick and dirty overlay of the seperated ACE Dynos on the comparison.

https://i.imgur.com/HUSzgCf.png

Do a best fit with the curves, as the bottom dyno was a car that didn't have a proper RPM pickup.

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 3238310)

Do a best fit with the curves, as the bottom dyno was a car that didn't have a proper RPM pickup.

I'll take the data points from the photo with some software I have and re-plot it later. Tried to best fit the curves with paint but the scaling of hp/torque on the two graphs didn't want to play ball.

What is the stock car being used here?

Edit: MY16 or 17+?

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Originally Posted by 8inchAzN (Post 3238397)

What is the stock car being used here?

Edit: MY16 or 17+?

13-16 MT/AT or 17+ AT, as indicated by the torque dip.

MT 2017 has less dip?

Post has been corrected.

Oh this is JDLs old 4-1 not the new 4-2-1 header.

How does each header compare when they have been tuned to suit the individual headers flow?

Without letting the engine management system know what it can do with the different flow characteristics of the different designs, surely the results would be compromised.

From previous experience, without a individual tune to suit, none of the headers tested would be giving their full potential.

Thanks for your time doing the testing.

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Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz (Post 3238501)

Oh this is JDLs old 4-1 not the new 4-2-1 header.

Oh wait is it? The original JDL 4-1 and not the recently JDL 4-2-1 EL header? The other thread mike claims its the 4-2-1 http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...130248&page=17 maybe a typo?