the point is that there have been destination charges forever. its not like the new ones are much more expensive because all of a sudden there are these charges. when comparing new to old. either count the fees for both or neither. using destination charges to determing if a car is expensive is stupid since every new car ive ever seen has had them

How is it relevant by comparing MY2004 to MY2013? And comparing 2.0T to 370Z isn't relevant either, unless you pick 2013 3.8L V6, which is starting at 29K.
370Z 3.7L V6 332hp with sport package is about 34.5K. (200lb less)
Genesis Coupe 3.8L V6 348hp with sport package is (Add your number)?
If you don't know, 2 seater coupe is always expensive because of impracticality.

And we're comparing Z with Mustang now?
What about Comparing Nismo Z to BOSS302? They price very close to each other. :iono:

Ok Dark the '13 GC is over fucking priced....You happy now?

Ok, I think I should stop replying to this thread anymore. Hope it's more about FR-S and GC though.

The thing that you never understood is that the GC is more closer to a Z than it is to a FR-S and that's why it was relevant enough for me to mention it in this thread. Let me break it down for you. Remember Nissan made Z's with 2+2 seating in the past and the Z is made on a sedan/coupe platform

Some people want a Z but want more room for god knows what so the 3.8 R spec/ 3.8 Track exist at a much cheaper price than a Sport or Loaded Z

Some people want a RWD, Sports coupe EVO and the 2.0t Rspec exist at a much cheaper price while still being able to haul people albeit not that comfortable.

The scenarios I put out is very much what people think about regardless if you like it or not.

$25000 for a RWD 274 hp coupe is not overpriced.
MCS JCW is overpriced. Hyundai cars are not overpriced. They are value priced.
If FRS MSRP is above $24000 that's overpriced.

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I notice something about Hyundai. If there car seems like it costs more than a competitor it's because they are offering more. I remember when Hyundai came out with the 3.8 base model for $25,000 a lot of people felt it was overpriced vs a Mustang V6. But when you actually did some investigating you find out why.


IRS suspension vs LRA
Cloth seats vs Leather seats
Driveshaft that can't go past 115 mph vs a driveshaft that can go to 160+ mph
Automatic CC vs Manual CC
Fog lights vs None
5y/60k Warranty vs 10y/100k Warranty

It isn't like will Hyundai will offer less for more. That is the one reason I respect there business practices but I am still not impressed with the sporting nature of most other Hyundai's.

Meh. Their output is impressive given the size (and they're a step up from laptop speakers), but they still sound horrible. Just so I'm not accused of being a X-Mini II Capsule hater, I feel the same way about all tiny speakers... even the overpriced Jawbone Jambox is junk. You gotta move up to something like the Altec Lansing iMW725 before the sound starts to get decent.

Back to the topic, sort of...

I noticed this morning that SUB-FT86 has composed 164 of the 1044 posts in this thread (~1 in 6), and 46 of the ~200 posts in the last 10 days (~1 in 4). Therefore, I propose renaming it in his honor:

"FR-S/BRZ vs. Genesis Coupe, a narrative by SUB-FT86"

Hahaha...:D

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from a performance standpoint the solid axle and 115mph driveshaft (which i have never heard before) are only disadvantages if the was was slower, which it isnt. a solid axle is lighter and reduces unsprung weight. ford has made this an advantage imo

1) http://jalopnik.com/5869650/why-do-2...keep-exploding

2) http://www.autoblog.com/2011/12/19/w...ails-at-135-m/

3) http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...mph-video.html

You are right, it isn't really 115mph more like 140mph.



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i wonder if they have addressed this yet. that last post wasnt sarcasm by the way. i had no idea

I know you weren't being sarcastic; neither was I. I was just showing you a few links with info about the issue and a video. Just thought I would be helpful.