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KevinDuMa 03-10-2012 01:50 AM

2013 Scion Fr-S on the March Issue of MotorTrend
 
Went on Scion.com just to check up on it and they included a link to the March issue of Motortrend featuring the 2013 Scion Fr-S and article about it.

Online Magazine available for viewing:
http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/...bd#/b50b92bd/1

tachi1247 03-10-2012 02:06 AM

just saw that too about 30 min ago. Not much news there except they are guessing a $25k price.

ichitaka05 03-10-2012 02:40 AM

Good find! I'm to tired to read tonight, but I gonna read it first thing tomorrow!

poormans_LFA 03-10-2012 04:28 AM

Read before. Worth the second read. BRZ or FR-S: you can't go wrong!!!!!!!

SUB-FT86 03-10-2012 05:32 AM

I already have this magazine. It is nothing new really.

MrBonus 03-10-2012 07:03 AM

Thanks for the read.

Brett 03-10-2012 07:06 AM

I think I bought that issue about a month ago. There's another article in there on the FRS/BRZ too. I think got a goofy title, something like the Miata's Brother from Another Mother.

Brett

dhpinoy 03-10-2012 07:19 AM

I read this when it came out. I got free subscription from LA Auto Show.

Anyways, the next page after these is the BRZ. Entitled, "... Brother from Another Motha".

Pretty sweet article. Mostly just about differences between BRZ/FRS and how the drive was around the track. The fact that he fell in love after 4 laps.

I just wish there was an everyday news on the FR-Z :D

Brett 03-10-2012 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dhpinoy (Post 153237)
I read this when it came out. I got free subscription from LA Auto Show.

Anyways, the next page after these is the BRZ. Entitled, "... Brother from Another Motha".

Pretty sweet article. Mostly just about differences between BRZ/FRS and how the drive was around the track. The fact that he fell in love after 4 laps.

I just wish there was an everyday news on the FR-Z :D

You're right. I knew I should've looking in the magazine before I posted, it was sitting right next to me after all!

There's yet another article in that issue called "The Miata Coupe*" * Not build by Mazda.

http://blogs.motortrend.com/the-miat...zda-19869.html

I think I was combining the two articles together in my head :)

Brett

ZetaVI 03-10-2012 08:00 AM

That was a really good read. Good post.

tripjammer 03-10-2012 11:14 AM

Motor Trend estimates 0 to 60 in 6.2 secs...Yeah buddy!

Gadflyii 03-10-2012 11:36 AM

Not a review or a test in anyway.. Just another paid ad. Very typical Motortrend. 25k is about 5k too much for the Scion..

I wonder why Toyota/Subaru will not let anyone do a full test?....

SVTSHC 03-10-2012 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tripjammer (Post 153290)
Motor Trend estimates 0 to 60 in 6.2 secs...Yeah buddy!

I read that, just a little bit of work and I think I can drop that by 6 seconds. :barf:




But seriously I'd like mine going 0-60 in as close to 4 flat as possible.

tranzformer 03-10-2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadflyii (Post 153300)

I wonder why Toyota/Subaru will not let anyone do a full test?....


The suspense. The drama. Must prolong.


Quote:

Originally Posted by SVTSHC (Post 153309)
But seriously I'd like mine going 0-60 in as close to 4 flat as possible.

You trolling?

zoomzoomers 03-10-2012 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadflyii (Post 153300)
Not a review or a test in anyway.. Just another paid ad. Very typical Motortrend. 25k is about 5k too much for the Scion..

I wonder why Toyota/Subaru will not let anyone do a full test?....

Probably because a test would "require" the list price! LOL

Anyway, great post! :thanks:

blur 03-10-2012 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadflyii (Post 153300)
Not a review or a test in anyway.. Just another paid ad. Very typical Motortrend. 25k is about 5k too much for the Scion..

What other car can you get with 6 speed, RWD, 2700 lbs, LSD, bucket seats and handling tailored after the cayman? for $20K, of course lol.

Gadflyii 03-10-2012 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blur (Post 153321)
What other car can you get with 6 speed, RWD, 2700 lbs, LSD, bucket seats and handling tailored after the cayman? for $20K, of course lol.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...?t=3788&page=7

start at post #132....

FRSDREAMER 03-10-2012 12:23 PM

You guys say 25k is too much for a Scion.

So are you guys saying, if this car was branded as a Toyota with the exact same options, then it would be ok at 25k?

Spaceywilly 03-10-2012 01:48 PM

Am I missing something here? Isn't this the same article that has been available online since December?

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...s_first_drive/

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2794

Gadflyii 03-10-2012 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSDREAMER (Post 153333)
You guys say 25k is too much for a Scion.

So are you guys saying, if this car was branded as a Toyota with the exact same options, then it would be ok at 25k?


Not at all; my point is that 25k is too much for what it is; be it a Subaru, Toyota, Scion, or even a Lexus.

SVTSHC 03-10-2012 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranzformer (Post 153314)
You trolling?

lol not at all. I should have put the word "eventually" in there. Should be possible with around 350 at the crank. We won't talk about how much it'll cost to get there though :lol:, that's why I should have added "eventually"

tripjammer 03-10-2012 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadflyii (Post 153407)
Not at all; my point is that 25k is too much for what it is; be it a Subaru, Toyota, Scion, or even a Lexus.


I agree, the FR-S is stripped down. You don't really get much. Its not worth 25K. $22-23K yeah with the bespoke included. Look at all the other scions, they are not as stripped down as the FR-S.

At least start it low and let us add options...but Scion is stuck on its monospec and pure pricing. That is what is really killing the brand. Hopefully the FR-S will keep Scion alive.

Xdragonxb0i 03-10-2012 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSDREAMER (Post 153333)
You guys say 25k is too much for a Scion.

So are you guys saying, if this car was branded as a Toyoyes with the exact same options, then it would be ok at 25k?

from what we know the frs will come equipped with YES, i think its 25k is too much.

the BRZ might be worth 25K bc it does come with HIDs and a nicer interior

maxeveland 03-10-2012 10:37 PM

hopefully theyll update more info in the next few days

FRSDREAMER 03-10-2012 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tripjammer (Post 153527)
I agree, the FR-S is stripped down. You don't really get much. Its not worth 25K. $22-23K yeah with the bespoke included. Look at all the other scions, they are not as stripped down as the FR-S.

At least start it low and let us add options...but Scion is stuck on its monospec and pure pricing. That is what is really killing the brand. Hopefully the FR-S will keep Scion alive.

What do you mean "Scion Frs is the most stripped down?" All Scion models come with the same thing.

-Ipod Usb/Aux

-Pioneer Headunit

-Bluetooth (2012 Models Standard)

-Cloth Seats

Only thing the FRS doesn't have is steering wheel controls.

Their cars are monospec, because they want to keep the price low, and allow for several dealer installed accessories/parts.

CyberFormula 03-11-2012 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xdragonxb0i (Post 153565)
from what we know the frs will come equipped with YES, i think its 25k is too much.

the BRZ might be worth 25K bc it does come with HIDs and a nicer interior

I don't think subaru has a nicer interior. The silver trim looks terrible.
And the outside "fake vent" is tacky.

CoryUyede 03-11-2012 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFormula (Post 153651)
I don't think subaru has a nicer interior. The silver trim looks terrible.
And the outside "fake vent" is tacky.

+1

The subaru looks nice and tidy down the middle with the Digital climate control and push button start but the silver doesn't suit the car IMO.

The Black / Carbon-esque trim on the scion looks more suiting (to me).

Mr.Jay 03-11-2012 03:55 AM

Really? 25K is a stretch when you consider the car with the rest of the Scion product line but I don't understand this its not enough car for 25k considering the Integra Type R was priced very closely and that was years ago so if you included inflation into everything the FRS isn't too bad

CyberFormula 03-11-2012 04:38 AM

but that was a TYPE R.

It was some what of a flagship ...of course the NSX was selling around the same time.

You ask me today whether i want the FRS or Type R....i'll take the type r...JDM version of course (but i'll take any version just need to modify somethings to suit my liking)

You can fit 15inch rims on that car!

Sully 03-11-2012 07:51 AM

Yeah, GSR is a better comparison I think. Or civic SI.

Deslock 03-11-2012 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gadflyii (Post 153331)
Quote:

Originally Posted by blur (Post 153321)
What other car can you get with 6 speed, RWD, 2700 lbs, LSD, bucket seats and handling tailored after the cayman? for $20K, of course lol.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...?t=3788&page=7

start at post #132....

Post #132 in that thread supports blur's point. With the exception of the Mini (FWD), all those cars are significantly heavier than the FT86.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SVTSHC (Post 153309)
Quote:

Originally Posted by tripjammer (Post 153290)
Motor Trend estimates 0 to 60 in 6.2 secs...Yeah buddy!

I read that, just a little bit of work and I think I can drop that by 6 seconds. :barf:

Dropping it to 6 sec ought to be easy (and it might be able to do that stock with an abusive launch). Dropping it by 6 sec on the other hand... :D

0-60 in 0.2 sec would require 3000+ hp (and due to traction limitations, different forms of propulsion and steering, as well something to induce some series downforce). The driver might be able to withstand the resulting 13.7 Gs for 0.2 sec without much problem, though sustaining that acceleration for long would mean a loss of consciousness.

Sully 03-11-2012 09:45 AM

Now that's a nerdpost, right there.

I approve.:respekt::happy0180:

Brett 03-11-2012 09:52 AM

Why does every thread eventually devolve to the same off topic bickering?

Xlr8 03-11-2012 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett (Post 153729)
Why does every thread eventually devolve to the same off topic bickering?

Because nobody knows the price or has driven the car. Once it's in dealers we'll have other stupid arguments. :bonk:

Calum 03-11-2012 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberFormula (Post 153682)
but that was a TYPE R.

It was some what of a flagship ...of course the NSX was selling around the same time.

You ask me today whether i want the FRS or Type R....i'll take the type r...JDM version of course (but i'll take any version just need to modify somethings to suit my liking)

You can fit 15inch rims on that car!

If the brakes really are lifted from the 08 Impreza, then you'll be able to fit 15's on this to, I've got 15's on mine right now.

maxeveland 03-11-2012 10:56 AM

the frs could reach $25k easily with the options that certain people want. Its for that reason I expect the base price to be $23k

Capt Canuck 03-11-2012 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xlr8 (Post 153735)
Because nobody knows the price or has driven the car. Once it's in dealers we'll have other stupid arguments. :bonk:

Indeed then there will be an avalanche of 'Is this a good deal?' threads ;)
Hey-ho, no one is forcing us to be on here, it's all good for a diversion while in front of the computer.

FRSDREAMER 03-11-2012 11:50 AM

Do you guys believe bespoke is standard?

Scion never has upscale headunit standard .....

tripjammer 03-11-2012 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSDREAMER (Post 153605)
What do you mean "Scion Frs is the most stripped down?" All Scion models come with the same thing.

-Ipod Usb/Aux

-Pioneer Headunit

-Bluetooth (2012 Models Standard)

-Cloth Seats

Only thing the FRS doesn't have is steering wheel controls.

Their cars are monospec, because they want to keep the price low, and allow for several dealer installed accessories/parts.


The tC has sunroof...even the tc release 7.0 has push start. I am not saying the FR-S needs a sunroof, just that the tC has more standard equipment for the price compared to all other cars in its class. They don't have to strip down the FR-S as much as they did over the BRZ premium to hit the 25k pricing. That's why i was always saying that the bespoke was going to be standard in the FR-S because scion in the future wants this deck to be standard across the scion lineup. In other words the bespoke is the future standard deck, just released first on the FRS. If they make it optional and the price starts at $25k, nobody is going to buy it.

I am still hoping they price this thing right....like $22k to $23k with what we see and the bespoke included.

tripjammer 03-11-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSDREAMER (Post 153771)
Do you guys believe bespoke is standard?

Scion never has upscale headunit standard .....

I think this is going to be the new standard deck across all Scions in the coming years. It's just going to debut on the FR-S first.

If you look on the net you see nothing on it. Its not like any other pioneer deck. I researched that much it is power by Zypr. "Zypr is a cloud based API that acts as a device portal to normalize the interface between the myriad of Internet services and connected devices." The bespoke is a Scion\Pioneer creation.

The coolest thing is you can create Zypr apps for free because becoming a dev is free.

http://www.zypr.net/



You know its funny that we don't see any videos of people actually using the Bespoke...hmmm


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