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THIS THREAD IS FOR OWNER EXPERIENCES AND QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR EXPERIENCES WITH THIS KIT.

Thank you @digital_assassin for starting this thread. He no longer owns his 86 so I will periodically update this thread instead

Please post once you've ordered and I'll keep it updated with people that have ordered and will ultimately have the kit on the car. I ask that we all post the Dyno results and impressions/experiences.

This is not a thread for debate about the pro's and cons of this vs. Vortech, Innovate, AVO, FBM, FA20Club, etc. That thread is found HERE This thread is for owner proven facts about this product only, both good and bad.

Kraftwerks Product Page
Install Manual
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIR8...pcfo8gVHsOS30Q

Replacement Belt if ever needed can be ordered. There are three known versions.
1. Original first revision with the smaller crank pulley and 90mm Rotrex pulley - 20mm width 150 teeth
HERE

2. Second revision with ** tooth crank pulley and 95mm Rotrex pulley - 20mm width 160 teeth
HERE

2. Third revision with ** tooth crank pulley and 95mm Rotrex pulley - 30mm width 160 teeth
HERE

Idler Pulley Bearing Replacement
Due to the fact that this kit does not have an auto-tensioner, I found that the belt can become too tight depending on the temperature. As I live in an area where the temperature can swing 86 degrees F within hours, I tend to keep my tension a bit on the loose side to prevent premature bearing failure on the idlers and the Rotrex.

I have the second revision of belt/pulleys on my kit and they use three 6203 bearings in the idler pulleys. You will need a strong pair of internal snap ring pliers for this job (the reversible style will not be strong enough). Bearings will need to have C3 clearance and be designed to work in hot environments. I have tried both F A G brand and NSK 6203C3 DUU bearings but the hot engine bay temperatures just cooked the grease out of them within weeks. So far, I have been having good success with Nachi 62032NSE bearings.

Recommended hose clamp install thread - ask @glamcem why this is necessary :)

Known Owners
1. @digital_assassin Ordered 10/3/13 - Received 12/3/13 - Dyno Results 274HP / 227TQ initial tune - updated 279HP / 222TQ on DynoJet with tune by @Drift-Office both on 92 octane
2. @elopez Order #20
3. @grostoine Ordered 10/16/13 - Received 12/11/13 - Tuned by Otto-Moto and dyno'd on Maha 276HP / 246TQ
4. @cobrabyte Ordered 10/17/13 - Received 12/17/13 - SOLD unused kit to @post_break
5. @retrosmiths Ordered 10/21/13
6. @dren Received around 12/12/13?
7. @PRORICAN Ordered 1/14/14 - Received 1/21/14 -Installed 1/26/14 - Dyno Results 266HP / 198TQ on DynoDynamics with Basemap tune by @DeliciousTuning
8. @ExcelerateRep On Hand 1/17/14 - Dyno 3/7/14 245HP / 210TQ on Mustang Dyno and tuned by @Visconti
9. @wrohdejr Ordered 2/4/14 - 286HP / 222TQ on Dynojet and tuned by @Drift-Office
10. @wahsaihin Ordered 2/4/14
11. @sales@delicioustuning.com Purchased 2/7/14 - Installed 2/8/14 - 275 on 91 & ~332 on E85 on Mustang Dyno and tuned by @DeliciousTuning
12. @utekineir - Installed 2/8/14
13. @OmarGC - Installed ?? - Kit for sale as of 4/27/14 - Sold to @Rulin
14. @Ocho Seis - Dyno Results 296HP / 235TQ on DynaPack Dyno with tune by On Point
15. @captain_jack - installed 2/19/14 - 246HP / 196TQ on Mustang Dyno and Tuned by @nelsmar - Selling as of 5/14/14
16. @mit_peid - ordered 2/19/14
17. @glamcem - ordered 4/7/14 - installed 5/7/14 - e-tune by Moto East
18. @post_break - purchased brand new from @cobrabyte - Installed 5/10/14
19. @zoth - Ordered from Moto East on 4/17/14 - Installed 5/11/14 - Dyno on 93 octane 275HP / 220TQ with tune by @moto-mike and Dyno on E85 368HP / 272TQ
20. @Freeman - Ordered on 4/30/14 - Installed 5/12/14 - Kraftwerks Tune 261HP/195TQ - Drift-Office tune to come later
21. @SPCorBUST - Ordered on 5/6/14 - C38 Blower - Installed 5/9/14 - Delicious tune on both E85 & 91 Octane
22. @importdps - Installed 5/12/14 - Tune by Delicious
23. @Kakawate - Installed and tuned by Kraftwerks - Automatic
24. @SterlingBrz - Installed 5/8/14 - Tune by Kraftwerks
25. @Model Citizen - Installed January? - Tune by Delicious
26. @vgi - C38 kit - Installed 5/17/14 - Stated numbers on Mustang dyno 299HP with 93 octane fuel
27. @NCItaly - used kit purchased around 5/18/14
28. @TmP - Installed 6/1/14
29. @madpcsupreme - Installed 5/19/14
30. @Taino-BRZ - installed 5/30/14 - E85 301HP/226Tq
31. @zERoTu - Ordered 5/21/14
32. @FR-S Matt - Ordered 6/2/14
33. @Squishy - Installed 7/7/14
34. @penguin - Installed 6/10/14
35. @zERoTu - Installed 6/14/14
36. @D-VO - Installed 6/17/14
37. @ST-A - Installed 6/19/14
38. @rickspecd - Installed ????
39. @noob001 - Installed 6/23/14??
40. @Jcl - Installed 7/30/14 - KW Tune
41. @j.F.c.R.a.S. - Ordered 7/21/14
42. @nlowell - Installed 8/4/14 - 314HP/242TQ on Mustang Dyno with E85 Fuel
43. @Gixxersixxerman - Installed 9/8
44. @myd_lyf_crysys - Install and tune by @Drift-Office 9/20/14 AUTOMATIC 261HP/205TQ on 92 Octane
45. @projek_01 - Installed 10/11/14
46. @JoonPrime - Installed around 10/2/14 - Stated 255HP / 205TQ
47. @Rulin - Purchased kit from OmarGC - Installed 10/12/14 - Tuned by @moto-east
48. @BRZZZZZZZZZZ - Installed around 11/27/14 - Stated 258HP with C38 blower. Tuned by @Airboy
49. @Triumphrider - Install date ??? - C38 on Moto East E-tune
50. @DAN_BRZ - Installed 4/14/15 - C38 on Moto East E-tune
51. @Kojiro - Installed 1/17/15 - C38 on Moto East E-Tune

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Here's Kraftwerks Dyno's for a reference point. Both Dyno's were performed on a Rototest HUBDYNO.

C30 Blower
This one is Stock BRZ vs Supercharged BRZ (95mm pulley) with stock headers and exhaust running 91 octane fuel. This shows a gain of 81.9HP and 55.1TQ.

http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g...ab8f96247c.png
http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g...38c3542548.png

This one is Stock BRZ vs. Supercharged BRZ (95mm pulley) with the forthcoming Skunk2 Headers and Exhaust and fueled with E85. I've been told that the headers are going to be part of their Alpha Series line and should be released in January. This shows a gain of 127.1HP and 83.2TQ.

http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g...09480d8c79.png
http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g...82406d79d1.png

This one is Stock BRZ vs. Supercharged BRZ (90mm pulley) with the forthcoming Skunk2 Headers and Exhaust and fueled with E85. This shows a gain of 180.8HP and 119.4TQ.

http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/...psd9f16fbd.jpg
http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/...ps34275c7f.jpg

C38 Blower
Here are results using a C38 on an Automatic.

This dyno sheet shows 91 octane numbers at 262.7HP and 204.6TQ. This is an increase of 108.3HP and 70.7TQ.
http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/f...b0c2a63bec.png

This dyno sheet shows E85 numbers at 341.5HP and 244.5TQ. This is an increase of 187.1HP and 110.6TQ
http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/f...340c3dd01d.png

Engine bay layout. Oil cooler sandwich plate that is shown is a Skunk2 product. The oil cooler is anticipated to be released in time to ship with the Supercharger kit, sold separately though.
http://cms.kraftwerksusa.com/photo/g...95a80d0270.jpg

Looks like I'm order #26 for this one. Did the homework and really like how this one's shaping-up!

Well put Mike ... my POV was simply to give enthusiasts who may not be in the 'know' a little background info on Bill. Not looking to sit here and argue who was FA20 powered, DPI, which ECU was harder to tune, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSG Mike (Post 1298924)

How many of those cars are FA20 powered? How many of those cars use an ECU with the sophistication of the FA20? How many are Direct Injected?

While I absolutely believe Bill's tuning ability, throwing around those names have little correlation with the tuning of this kit.

Now, a proven track record of FA20 tuning would be a great example. For example, both Crawford BRZs and Robispec's FRS are tuned by Bill, and run strong!

OK guys, this thread has been cleaned per the OP's request.

Please follow his colorful bolded directions at the top of the thread.

Any dyno on stock exhaust, 91 gas and 90mm pulley?

Would definitely like to see some more videos of the system in use... dyno, street, track... I'm easy. ;)

Is the release date have been announce?

Or we are waiting for the 30th person to show?

It would be very nice to have at least an update or something ?

By the way i'm number 27.

Any word on this? I haven't gotten an e-mail or anything yet.

You should contact them!

I have but it stopped to the point I was going to have my finale price... I never had it. Still waiting. I called them friday but I guess it wasn't open.

Quote:

Originally Posted by grostoine (Post 1363764)

You should contact them!

I have but it stopped to the point I was going to have my finale price... I never had it. Still waiting. I called them friday but I guess it wasn't open.

sorry grostoine....but we have this pesky holiday called thanksgiving in the USA...call in if you havent heard from the sales team