Breaking the Silence
We've had a busy year and developing the FR-S project took a little longer than we hoped but that doesn't mean we haven't been making progess...
We're finally at a point where we have some good solid development work behind us and are ready to start putting some products out. After a year of prototypes, testing, and final revisions we are finally ready to put our hard work on the market. To help us continue our development of this platform we are now up and running with the new MoTeC M142 ecu which we will be using to extensively analyze our own products as well as any that we happen to use along the way. We will shortly be offering our turbo kit, a direct injection delete kit, a front and rear Stoptech big brake package, and more. We will have some major updates shortly but in the meantime I just wanted to get back on the forums and make sure you all haven't forgotten about us ;)... A few teasers below to hold you over for the release threads... http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...Stoptech-1.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...urboKitEFR.jpg http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/...lasko/FR-S.jpg Rendering of the HPFP block off for our direct injection delete kit: http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/029...g?v=1426647572 MoTeC M1 knock control testing: https://scontent-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...84516306_o.jpg |
Well that HPFP delete kit is one way to silence the crickets for good. LOL
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Why would you want to delete the direct injection in the first place? Unless its just for tuning ease for your Motec system.
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The only advantage I see is if you're building a beast of an engine where you won't know how they'll hold up. |
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Why delete DI?
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Dont mean to be "That Guy", but it doesn't seem that you guys have done the proper testing and research based on the products that you plan to bring to the market. Deleting the direct injection without offering a piston upgrade leads me to believe that you haven't looked into how doing so affects the way the factory DI piston design reacts to the extra heat. There is no problem with deleting the direct injection (though I dont see the reason for this other than tuners lack of ability), but doing so while utilizing the stock piston design will lead to a failure.
When I get back from the office ill point out some of the things that happen on a 2ur(ISF Engine) Piston when the direct injection is deleted and the heating/cooling dynamics change in the combustion chamber. |
Very pleased to see a shop based in North Carolina supporting our platform! I'm looking forward to more formal announcements and details.
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Awesome stuff. The advantage I see of deleting DI is simplicity. K.I.S.S.
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When we talk about research we mean buying a brand new FR-S as soon as they are released, driving it straight from the dealership to our in house dyno. We had the car tuned on BRZEdit before it had 25 miles on it. From there we drove it just long enough to be bored and know the tune was safe. We went ahead and pulled the motor to get some hands on experience, we were going to need a clutch anyway. While it was out the stories of failing DI pumps and injector seals started popping up left and right. Rather than waiting for a problem I figured I'd go ahead and find a solution just in case. We pulled the heads off and measured for a complete direct injection delete kit if it came to that. When you look at the combustion side of the direct injector when installed in the head you will notice a lot of small sharp edges exposed. We were able to machine the injector blank to fill the dead space between those sharp edges effectively "softening" the combustion chamber. We went ahead and put it all back together bone stock for testing purposes despite being so close to being able to build the motor. From there we started on our turbo kit, fan shrouds, catch can, and more. When we got it back up and running we tuned it again on BRZEdit and the stock DI setup, we have also used ECUTek just for comparisons sake, and now run MoTeC just for it's extensive capabilities. We were actually able to make more power, and run more timing WITHOUT the DI which even we were surprised about but after seeing the combustion chamber I understand why. It's very evident with MoTeC's knock monitoring that it's a safer combustion environment with the DI removed completely. We have actual data with each cylinder's knock level measured on four adjustable frequencies. You're talking about a modification that takes away dozens of points of failure (some catastrophic), makes the car simpler, more powerful, lighter, more reliable, easier to work on, easier to tune... Keep in mind I'm not saying all DI is bad, I am in the middle of building a DI flow bench to provide DI pump and injector data for aftermarket ECU's capable of driving them. I have tuned multiple direct injection vehicles including many FA20 vehicles, and I intend to continue DI testing even on the FA20, but the simple truth is this particular DI system as it comes from the factory just isn't worth it's weight. |
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Is there any application where you would say keeping the DI would be better on this car? Is there any possibility of keeping the DI but smoothing the CC? Possibly adding material to the head and then machining the area to better fit the injector? Did you notice any significant change in milage without the DI? I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say I'd love to see pics of what you talking about. |
What kind of power are you looking to make?
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Sorry if you took it the wrong way, but the issue has already been funded, researched, and overcome. |
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http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/.../FA20%20DI.jpg When you see all these new technologies keep in mind they aren't optimized for performance, they are optimized for; cost, emissions, and fuel economy, generally in that order. |
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