Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3603184)

Yeah, that looks like the ultimate answer. Meanwhile before pan is available, Accusump looks like the best solution at the moment.

Tryna decide whether to go ahead and get Accusump and then the deeper aftermarket oil pan solution when it is available, or get an ND2...

Originally Posted by Frost (Post 3603238)

ND2 is tremendous amounts of fun but that suspension is way to soft for anyone who wants to be competitive. I personally would get one for a sunday driver but not necessarily a time attack or track rat.

Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3603184)

Yeah, that looks like the ultimate answer. Meanwhile before pan is available, Accusump looks like the best solution at the moment.

Tryna decide whether to go ahead and get Accusump and then the deeper aftermarket oil pan solution when it is available, or get an ND2...

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 3603306)

So you think the issue is that serious that’d you’d swap cars? Pretty big call. I don’t know heaps about the issue, but it sounds like it’s the main flaw with the new one. So the first gen didn’t have these types of issues at all?

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 3603306)

So you think the issue is that serious that you’d swap cars? Pretty big call. I don’t know heaps about the issue, but it sounds like it’s the main flaw with the new one. So the first gen didn’t have these types of issues at all?

Originally Posted by Dirty Harry (Post 3603306)

So you think the issue is that serious that you’d swap cars? Pretty big call. I don’t know heaps about the issue, but it sounds like it’s the main flaw with the new one. So the first gen didn’t have these types of issues at all?

Originally Posted by whataboutbob (Post 3603308)

I'm pretty sure the 1st gen had issues. Especially if; 1) You let the oil get low and then drove it hard, 2) Added FI, and/or: 2.a) Let the oil get low, 2.b) Drove it hard, 2.c) Didn't address the oil cooling issues, 2.d) Had a shitty motor build (OEM or aftermarket), or 2.e) All of the above

Originally Posted by autoracer86 (Post 3603325)

Oil pressure wasn't great if oil temps were too high on the first gen. Lots of info on this online

Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3603336)

*What* oil cooling issues? My gen-1's oil temp always went to 270-275F *indicated*, every session for 5 years, ~50 track days, never went beyond that. 275F indicated oil temp has been correlated to 255F sump temp. These temps are no prob at all for any decent synthetic oil.


Data shows that measured oil pressure with 5w30 is the same with an oil cooler at 250F, as with NO oil cooler at 275F. I.e., pressure drop from the oil cooler is equal to pressure drop due to higher temp with no oil cooler.
And anyway you can easily go to 40-weight if want higher pressure at temp with no oil cooler.

I did a pretty exhaustive search when I got my car in late 2017 and found that engine failures were not correlated at all with whether or not an oil cooler was present. In fact it seemed to me that *most* track failures were *with* an oil cooler. There were RTV issues and general oiling issues particularly for #3 not related at all to oil temperatures.

Again, 275F indicated/255F sump was never the problem...

Originally Posted by autoracer86 (Post 3603341)

Do you have this saved to a text file ? LOL

Originally Posted by ZDan (Post 3603297)

Yeah no way it would stay on stock suspension, would be getting coilovers, roll bar, and a lower and more supportive drivers seat right away. We are spoiled with BRZ seats!

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox (Post 3603367)

The seeming requirement of engine, transmission, diff coolers after 949's and FM's testing is kind of a bummer.

And FM has stronger case bolts for the transmission because the case itself twisting was found to be the reason cars tracked hard were having transmission failures.......I don't remember if they made the cases stronger for ND2s.