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cf6mech 01-05-2013 05:21 AM

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ozone42 01-05-2013 09:16 AM

Awesome! What part of Texas?

Got3n 01-05-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ozone42 (Post 645855)
Awesome! What part of Texas?

Yes yes, inquiring minds want to know lol

FR-S Matt 01-05-2013 09:26 AM

Damn, I need to reach Stage 2 first, lol. Pretty awesome setup!

*KID* 01-05-2013 11:25 AM

Impressive stuff.

TEXAS is doing good things :)

Ricepuddin 01-05-2013 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ozone42 (Post 645855)
Awesome! What part of Texas?







Quote:

Originally Posted by Got3n (Post 645864)
Yes yes, inquiring minds want to know lol

They are out of Flower Mound, pretty popular with the Wrx/STi and EVO guys around here

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DriftEightSix 01-07-2013 02:59 AM

Bump for more details!

JoeBoxer 01-13-2013 03:12 AM

I can't get in to the "stage" terminology. What makes it stage 3? What would 1 and 2 entail? Just curious not hating or anything I just want to know, is there headwork or valve train changes?

w arghh x 01-13-2013 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 661880)
I can't get in to the "stage" terminology. What makes it stage 3? What would 1 and 2 entail? Just curious not hating or anything I just want to know, is there headwork or valve train changes?

Stage 1 - CAI + Catback system
Stage 2 - above + headers, tune , Inj etc
Stage 3 - Internals + Turbo kit

??? Just a guess.....

Guff 01-13-2013 06:45 AM

Yay Big Builds! Yay AWDTuning! Yay Flower Mound! That's where I live!

Tony Mac 01-13-2013 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 661880)
I can't get in to the "stage" terminology. What makes it stage 3? What would 1 and 2 entail? Just curious not hating or anything I just want to know, is there headwork or valve train changes?

Stage 1 = modifications that can be added in isolation
Stage 2 = modifications that require other work or parts for them to be reliable/work correctly (ex. turbos require an intercooler)
Stage 3 = competition level modifications that make it less suitable for road use

Just from my understanding, this is what the three stages mean.

FR-S Matt 01-13-2013 08:15 AM

Need a shop like this near Austin. This could be worth the drive up to Flowermound!

Captain Insano 01-13-2013 09:14 AM

Cool stuff. Can't wait to see results.

armythug 01-13-2013 12:34 PM

Very nice. Interested to see how all this turns out. :happyanim:

awdtuning 01-13-2013 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer (Post 661880)
I can't get in to the "stage" terminology. What makes it stage 3? What would 1 and 2 entail? Just curious not hating or anything I just want to know, is there headwork or valve train changes?

Thank you guys very much for the support! We are very excited about this build. I've got a few more pictures that I can post up here as well.


To answer your question, the Stage 3 that we are referring to is to classify the engine build. We don't usually classify stage's for power mods because there are so many different uses for the stages.

We build over 250+ Subaru engines a year and developed our own Stages to help us better identify the power levels that each engine can handle.

Here is how we personally break down our stage engines at AWDTuning (this may not be the same as other shops)
Stage 0 = OEM
Stage 1 = OEM w/ Forged pistons
Stage 2 = Forged pistons and forged hbeam rods
Stage 3 = (This has stage has multiple combinations that will qualify)
Forged pistons with forged hbeam rods and darton sleeves or
Forged pistons with forged ibeam rods
Forged pistons with forged xbeam rods
Stage 4 = Forged pistons, forged xbeam rods and darton sleeves
Stage 5 = Forged pistons, forged xbeam rods, darton sleeves and a billet crank

And this is how we classify our shortblocks. Heads have their own, but we don't usually classify those because we list our what exactly is done.

This Stage3 FA20 build has Arias forged pistons and Pauter xbeam connecting rods. Arias forged pistons are 9.1:1 we polished the OEM brank because it was in great shape, we used OEM bearings for this build but like Rick said, we are working with ACL to develop bearings for this platform, Stock headgaskets were used, we rebuilt the heads to factory specs, but they are stock heads.
As for the power mods, we are using an Accelarated Performance GT28 Turbo kit with FMIC and full exhaust system, Tial 38mm wastegate, DW 1000cc injectors, DW 65 fuel pump, stock headers.
We are also using a Clutch Masters FX400 clutch, Cusco sway bars, StopTech big brake kit, and a custom mocal oil cooler.

We will be tuning the car on E85 using an EcuTek license.

Hopefully this will answer some of your questions. Let me know if you have any more!

~Mary

benster 01-13-2013 07:35 PM

sweet, want to see the dyno graph of that one for sure

Speedy000 01-13-2013 11:03 PM

subscribed for moar pics and #'s :D

DIM 01-13-2013 11:22 PM

@awdtuning, what are your predicted #'s after the build and tune?

Sean-SRM 01-13-2013 11:57 PM

Looks like a great build, I'm excited to see the end product. When doing these types of build do other bolt on mods like intake and exhaust have more or less of an impact?

DarkCard 01-14-2013 01:53 AM

awesome looking forward to the result. nice seeing someone really digging into the engine

Tansey86 01-14-2013 06:15 AM

I'm more so interested to see how this car reacts with the lower compression, given that we have already seen its power curve with 12.5:1

Tansey86 01-19-2013 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cf6mech (Post 675320)
The numbers will be posted soon, we have to break in the new internals before the dyno run.(atleast 300 miles im being told)....but I will post when I get them. Also will video Dyno run, should be very interesting. Talking to AWDTUNING who has done research on FRS/BRZ and know alot of people in the industry, the rear diff seems to be the weak link in the FRS/BRZ drive line and not the tranny. A couple other companies ahead of our build have blown a couple diffs.

We also have axles that just came to the market too. What kind of power can the tranny hold?

eljefe 01-23-2013 03:03 PM

Nice to see a local shop diving into a project like this. I met Keith at the Chili's meet a while back and he said nobody had expressed any interest in building or even tuning their BRZ yet.

Looks like by the time my warranty is up, AWD tuning will have some under their belt :happy0180:

Bonburner 01-23-2013 03:07 PM

How do you guys feel about the stock fuel pump?

awdtuning 01-26-2013 10:12 PM

Got the FRS started up today... engine sounds Amazing! We are still waiting on a few parts and working on a final solution for the intake, but it runs great!
The Perrin Performance oil cooler is very nice! It fits very well, cleared our turbo kit with no issues, required no modification and even came with all the hardware and thermal wrap needed for a nice clean installation. Great job, as always, from the guys over at Perrin!

The StopTech brakes are a great fit as well. Very impressed with the quality of the whole kit as well. Can't wait to see them in action!

We installed the kw variant 3 coilovers as well. Right now they are lowered but the are adjustable so we can raise them if we need.

We should have the last of the parts in early next week. Then we will break in the brakes before getting it on the road. We will be putting about 300-500 break-in miles on the engine before getting it on the dyno. Hopefully it should be on the dyno by next weekend. I'll keep you posted! Until then, enjoy the pictures!


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8084/8...d02a731ee6.jpg
IMG_3970 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8190/8...1d459561f1.jpg
IMG_3971 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8...fd08b3babd.jpg
IMG_3973 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8...aa39ed7a18.jpg
IMG_3974 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8212/8...55b8c17764.jpg
IMG_3883 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8...3541014699.jpg
awdtuning by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8237/8...e5ab661115.jpg
IMG_2374 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8497/8...735768488e.jpg
awdtuning by awdtuning, on Flickr

Tansey86 01-26-2013 10:49 PM

What wheels are those? What size tire on the rear?

BRZranger 01-27-2013 08:58 AM

Sweet build! Looks like you have a hard time saying "no" to upgrades!

Looking forward to seeing how the build ends up.

Boosted2.0 01-27-2013 12:18 PM

Edit, wrong User ID

Illusive 01-27-2013 12:20 PM

Did arias retain the OEM fan shape for direct injection on the new lower comp pistons?

Yruyur 01-29-2013 05:06 PM

What hp & torque are you hoping to achieve? Looks great so far!!

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VenaSera 01-29-2013 05:13 PM

I have a few buddies with STIs and WRXs that swear by AWDTuning. Glad to see you guys taking this on!

Tansey86 01-30-2013 05:52 PM

Just won a free T-Shirt from AWDTuning, not thread related really but im exited, had to share :)

awdtuning 01-30-2013 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tansey86 (Post 700333)
Just won a free T-Shirt from AWDTuning, not thread related really but im exited, had to share :)

Yay! :thumbup: Thanks for playing our guessing game today! It was fun! The shirt got boxed up this afternoon and will be headed your way very soon! Enjoy!
-Mary

VenaSera 01-31-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenaSera (Post 697826)
I have a few buddies with STIs and WRXs that swear by AWDTuning. Glad to see you guys taking this on!

And I just remembered one of my employees used to work there when he lived in the area. Small world.

(Sorry.. random thought about AWDTuning) :thumbsup:

DIM 04-28-2013 01:42 PM

Sooo was this project ever finished? http://www.newcelica.org/forums/imag...lies/dunno.gif

evilconcarne999 04-28-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eljefe (Post 684222)
Nice to see a local shop diving into a project like this. I met Keith at the Chili's meet a while back and he said nobody had expressed any interest in building or even tuning their BRZ yet.

Looks like by the time my warranty is up, AWD tuning will have some under their belt :happy0180:

No interest in building and tuning DAFUQ???? Im in southern california and when i get the money put together ill drive my happy ass out to texas and get this done, dont know why theres not much more of a passion to make these cars great. More people out there that want to slam the car, pop out the wheels and slap a bunch of carbon fiber and rediculous body kits on the car than actually making the car great.

evilconcarne999 04-28-2013 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awdtuning (Post 691803)
Got the FRS started up today... engine sounds Amazing! We are still waiting on a few parts and working on a final solution for the intake, but it runs great!
The Perrin Performance oil cooler is very nice! It fits very well, cleared our turbo kit with no issues, required no modification and even came with all the hardware and thermal wrap needed for a nice clean installation. Great job, as always, from the guys over at Perrin!

The StopTech brakes are a great fit as well. Very impressed with the quality of the whole kit as well. Can't wait to see them in action!

We installed the kw variant 3 coilovers as well. Right now they are lowered but the are adjustable so we can raise them if we need.

We should have the last of the parts in early next week. Then we will break in the brakes before getting it on the road. We will be putting about 300-500 break-in miles on the engine before getting it on the dyno. Hopefully it should be on the dyno by next weekend. I'll keep you posted! Until then, enjoy the pictures!


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8084/8...d02a731ee6.jpg
IMG_3970 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8190/8...1d459561f1.jpg
IMG_3971 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8097/8...fd08b3babd.jpg
IMG_3973 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8374/8...aa39ed7a18.jpg
IMG_3974 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8212/8...55b8c17764.jpg
IMG_3883 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8234/8...3541014699.jpg
awdtuning by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8237/8...e5ab661115.jpg
IMG_2374 by awdtuning, on Flickr

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8497/8...735768488e.jpg
awdtuning by awdtuning, on Flickr


Im liking the way thats looking cant wait till i can get some money saved up and get a built turbo car. i am deffinitely keeping you guys on my radar.

awdtuning 06-28-2013 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VenaSera (Post 702430)
And I just remembered one of my employees used to work there when he lived in the area. Small world.

(Sorry.. random thought about AWDTuning) :thumbsup:

Really? That's neat! Which employee?

SmsAlSuwaidi 08-03-2013 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cf6mech (Post 1115520)
Well I had an issue with a rod bearing,.. an inherent weakness on this engine going over 400whp,..my new rebuild has begun and have acquired new Pauter rods with ACL race bearings machined to fit the Pauter rods,...I'm also installing ARP2000 head studs,..next on the list is Ferrea race comp valves, valve springs guides, retainers and springs, it should rev much higher with zero valve float. This has been an expensive endeavor indeed. The only weakness left is the Aisin MT which is only rated in our car at a measle 210ftlbs. there are gear sets being developed as I speak and I will be holding out for them and going easy on it....no digs or missed shifts. Looking into possible doing a tranny swap. The diff. seems to be a lucky strong point,..and from networking from other high hp guys, holding up well. I'm glad I went to a carbon fiber driveshaft to have some torque twist to ease the transfer of power. I've gone from a returnless system to a return fuel system via a pressure regulater with Full Blown fuel rails and additional fuel pumps via Don's system, I should never have a fuel lean issue again. My engine should be as bullet proof as the after market will provide,.....the tranny is another issue,...it worries me.


Arrgh crap :sigh:

did you toast the short block only ? or did the heads get messed up too ?

Anthony 08-03-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cf6mech (Post 645771)
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