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pr086 08-15-2012 03:38 PM

don't lift
 
does this apply in the FRS? i know some cars are susceptable to lift off oversteer but the frs doesn't seem to be one of them. what would be a situation you wouldn't want to lift in the frs?

robo_robb 08-15-2012 03:58 PM

When you are approaching the limits of traction in a corner, do not lift. Lifting at the limits of grip will upset the balance enough to induce oversteer. Unless you are trying to drift on purpose, don't do it.

pr086 08-15-2012 04:03 PM

what if you're at the limits of grip in a long corner, 50% throttle, and the rear starts coming out? what do you do in that situation?

alyon 08-15-2012 04:03 PM

It doesn't snap like an s2000 but like any car you will get the back end out if you lift... which is usually undesirable.

Worst time to lift would be when you crest a hill during a turn. Any time you already have weight trying to shift off the rear.

KevinR 08-15-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr086 (Post 381518)
what if you're at the limits of grip in a long corner, 50% throttle, and the rear starts coming out? what do you do in that situation?

I'd maintain throttle and countersteer and hold until the rear end comes back

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alyon 08-15-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr086 (Post 381518)
what if you're at the limits of grip in a long corner, 50% throttle, and the rear starts coming out? what do you do in that situation?

Either slowly reduce throttle or ride it out at 50% letting it correct itself. First would be safer.

mines13 08-15-2012 04:09 PM

Kudos for all the intelligent responses. This thread could have gone south pretty easily. It is very refreshing. As mentioned, you can ease out of it or ride it out. Can't recommend the latter unless you don't mind getting dirty and there is nothing to hit when/if you yard sale. :)

pr086 08-15-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alyon (Post 381519)
like any car you will get the back end out if you lift... which is usually undesirable.
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but thats the thing, in a FWD car you could lift any time any place and its not going to make a difference. at least in my car.

chulooz 08-15-2012 04:29 PM

Low power RWD, dont lift.

But get some alone time with the car so you can figure out how to react in the aftermath of a sloppy corner.

Spaceywilly 08-15-2012 04:30 PM

When in doubt, throttle out

FakeWhiteMan 08-15-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr086 (Post 381578)
but thats the thing, in a FWD car you could lift any time any place and its not going to make a difference. at least in my car.

Nah, in my Cobalt SS I could lift oversteer with ease. Same with my friends MINI Cooper S...

DarkSunrise 08-15-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pr086 (Post 381578)
but thats the thing, in a FWD car you could lift any time any place and its not going to make a difference. at least in my car.

It's not a FWD vs. RWD issue, it's a chassis balance issue. On my RSX (read: FWD) with thicker rear sway bar and coilovers, you could get the back end to rotate at will if you lifted mid-corner. Just the way the car was setup.

Hotlava86 08-15-2012 04:45 PM

I've found lifting RIGHT when your on that "limit" with this car is the quickest way to fudge things up UNLESS you want to get sideways. (not saying i wrecked the car or even came close). But right as you lift out of fear of getting sideway the engine and trans shift enough to just hose the balance and the rear will whip out a bit ....if not alot depending on how over that limit you were.

Pekingduck 08-15-2012 04:49 PM

Always look where you want to go also tend to help.


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