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-   -   2020 gets new HU w/ Android auto, carplay (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136739)

RZNT4R 09-07-2019 09:58 PM

2020 gets new HU w/ Android auto, carplay
 
https://www.carscoops.com/2019/09/20...dling-package/

Should be plug&play.

Magoo 09-08-2019 01:10 AM

I hope it's PnP with a 2013 FR-S. As much as I like the 2016 HU I installed, the UI is clunky.

jflogerzi 09-08-2019 02:06 AM

Meh cheaper to go with aftermarket + crutchfield wire harness combo. Plug and play on my 2013. Only lost the AUX connector and HD radio(suxed from factory anyways)

RZNT4R 09-08-2019 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jflogerzi (Post 3255296)
Meh cheaper to go with aftermarket + crutchfield wire harness combo. Plug and play on my 2013. Only lost the AUX connector and HD radio(suxed from factory anyways)

200mm android auto units with a 7 inch display aren't exactly cheap if you want to stay away from the dubious Chinese brands. Oe unit would retain everything and fit the dash perfectly without the abject 2din filler plates. Bought new straight from the parts counter it might be a stretch, but a used one a year from now should be a good proposition.

Yoshoobaroo 09-08-2019 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZNT4R (Post 3255316)
200mm android auto units with a 7 inch display aren't exactly cheap if you want to stay away from the dubious Chinese brands. Oe unit would retain everything and fit the dash perfectly without the abject 2din filler plates. Bought new straight from the parts counter it might be a stretch, but a used one a year from now should be a good proposition.

I got a Sony AX5000 from crutchfield with the harness premade for ~$380, truly plug and play in my 2013. I bet the the stock 2020 radio will be significantly more than that.

jflogerzi 09-08-2019 09:32 AM

Got my boss unit for about 300 with the plug and play harnesses so no splicing stock harness

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RZNT4R 09-08-2019 12:36 PM

Yeah, and the current T10087 seems to go for around 200 USD on the used/recycler market.

Even if the 2020 is 400 used, that's a good deal for an OEM 200mm flush fit android/CarPlay unit that's still likely made by pioneer.

Yoshoobaroo 09-08-2019 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZNT4R (Post 3255372)
Yeah, and the current T10087 seems to go for around 200 USD on the used/recycler market.

Even if the 2020 is 400 used, that's a good deal for an OEM 200mm flush fit android/CarPlay unit that's still likely made by pioneer.



That’s also if it’s plug and play. That’s a big if.

RZNT4R 09-08-2019 12:59 PM

Not really, the only change to the car was 17 when they added steering controls and a backup cam. And it's not like those have changed.

Sportsguy83 09-09-2019 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZNT4R (Post 3255374)
Not really, the only change to the car was 17 when they added steering controls and a backup cam. And it's not like those have changed.

As far as I knew, the 17+ OEM radio is not compatible with the 13-16 cars.

RayRay88 09-09-2019 02:54 PM

In 2019 or 2018 (someone can verify the year for me) they also moved the backup camera to the rear view mirror. I wonder how that plays out with the new head units and the 2017 cars with the back up camera still in the headunit.

Myriad 11-10-2019 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RayRay88 (Post 3255726)
In 2019 or 2018 (someone can verify the year for me) they also moved the backup camera to the rear view mirror. I wonder how that plays out with the new head units and the 2017 cars with the back up camera still in the headunit.

I have the same question since I have a 2017 with the camera view in the head unit. It might be nice to get the new head unit with CarPlay, but not sure if the back up camera will display in it for me. My mirror is not capable of it.

Myriad

Mr.ac 11-13-2019 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myriad (Post 3274624)
I have the same question since I have a 2017 with the camera view in the head unit. It might be nice to get the new head unit with CarPlay, but not sure if the back up camera will display in it for me. My mirror is not capable of it.

Myriad

It's too simple, it's just one rca video wire input.

chch83 11-13-2019 07:10 AM

It seems like supporting hands-free phone call.
But Why did not install steering wheel control buttons for phone call? BRZ already had it.

https://www.toyota.com/86/photo-gallery/interior/11
https://www.toyota.com/86/photo-gallery/interior/6

Goingnowherefast 11-13-2019 08:42 AM

I'm actively looking for a 2020 unit. If I get my hands on one, I'll report back on how plug and play it is.

Like mentioned, the backup camera is simple a RCA jack. It doesn't care whether the camera is on the back, in the mirror, or in space; it'll work all the same.

Ernest72 11-17-2019 07:27 PM

Just go aftermarket. With YouTube and the internet the install was simple. A couple of hours. I did crutchfield and paid 25 bucks for them to do the wiring harness. I did have to flash the Idata link but it was easier. Just plug everything in. Plus it looks factory. I got the pioneer 2550nex.

Yoshoobaroo 11-17-2019 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest72 (Post 3276188)
Just go aftermarket. With YouTube and the internet the install was simple. A couple of hours. I did crutchfield and paid 25 bucks for them to do the wiring harness. I did have to flash the Idata link but it was easier. Just plug everything in. Plus it looks factory. I got the pioneer 2550nex.



The crutch field harness service is soooo worth it.

Goingnowherefast 11-18-2019 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest72 (Post 3276188)
Just go aftermarket. With YouTube and the internet the install was simple. A couple of hours. I did crutchfield and paid 25 bucks for them to do the wiring harness. I did have to flash the Idata link but it was easier. Just plug everything in. Plus it looks factory. I got the pioneer 2550nex.

Personally I think even the best aftermarket headunits still look ~10 years behind quality OEM units. Additionally, it's tough to find a price-right, large screen aftermarket headunit with an analog volume knob etc.

To each their own.

Yoshoobaroo 11-18-2019 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goingnowherefast (Post 3276333)
Personally I think even the best aftermarket headunits still look ~10 years behind quality OEM units. Additionally, it's tough to find a price-right, large screen aftermarket headunit with an analog volume knob etc.



To each their own.



Check out the Sony AX-5000, no volume knob (buttons), but it looks damn near factory.

YamahaR86 11-18-2019 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo (Post 3276402)
Check out the Sony AX-5000, no volume knob (buttons), but it looks damn near factory.


How is the UI? My 3 year old pioneer is so laggy even out of the box when I installed it brand new.

Yoshoobaroo 11-18-2019 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YamahaR86 (Post 3276418)
How is the UI? My 3 year old pioneer is so laggy even out of the box when I installed it brand new.



Super snappy and it doesn’t look flashy like most aftermarket units. It doesn’t have a ton af unnecessary features like them either, so less to slow it down. I’ve had 5 aftermarket radios in my life and this is the first one I truly like better than the OEM one in every single way.

gixxer 12-01-2019 11:20 PM

No volume knob is a deal breaker for me. So annoying on the Type R that they brought it back.

darksnyder 12-04-2019 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gixxer (Post 3279867)
No volume knob is a deal breaker for me. So annoying on the Type R that they brought it back.


It depends. I too was a fan of knobs, but the 2015 OEM HU here in the middle east has multi-finger gestures. Just slide two fingers right to increase the volume or left to decrease. It works for other functions too like Mute, previous / next track, etc.



Stopped missing the knobs once you get the hang of it.

Irace86.2.0 12-14-2019 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RZNT4R (Post 3255316)
200mm android auto units with a 7 inch display aren't exactly cheap if you want to stay away from the dubious Chinese brands. Oe unit would retain everything and fit the dash perfectly without the abject 2din filler plates. Bought new straight from the parts counter it might be a stretch, but a used one a year from now should be a good proposition.

Just FYI, bought new straight from the parts counter would be a huge stretch. The 2019 headhunt is listed at $2195.68 here, so I could only imagine the 2020 would be comparable:

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_20...6271CA680.html

jflogerzi 12-14-2019 01:11 PM

What a rip off... 299$ for my boss apple car play and AA head unit.

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Myriad 02-13-2020 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myriad (Post 3274624)
Quote:
Originally Posted by RayRay88
In 2019 or 2018 (someone can verify the year for me) they also moved the backup camera to the rear view mirror. I wonder how that plays out with the new head units and the 2017 cars with the back up camera still in the headunit.

I have the same question since I have a 2017 with the camera view in the head unit. It might be nice to get the new head unit with CarPlay, but not sure if the back up camera will display in it for me. My mirror is not capable of it.

Myriad

Bumping this earlier question. Has anyone out there tried to install the new 2020 86 head unit into a 2017 or 2018 to get Apple CarPlay? My biggest concern is if the new head unit can display the backup camera, as our mirrors can not do it.

And to get ahead of it, yes, I know I can just get an aftermarket from Crutchfield, but I’m curious about the factory head unit.

Myriad

vitriumGTS 02-14-2020 08:14 PM

The real question is if there is any brand new owner of a 2020 Toyota 86 willing to pull out their OEM head unit and take pictures so we can confirm if the connectors are different.


My guess is that the GPS navigation unit that typically sits underneath will no longer be needed. So there shouldn't be those extension module connectors on it.



At the very least, it should have the following connections (based on my 2018 head unit):

* Antenna
* USB/AUX
* Toyota OEM power and speaker connectors (6 pin + 10 pin)
* Microphone + Steering Controls (28 pin)
* Camera stuff (24 pin)


I'm personally trying to find a review of the navigation/stereo on youtube, but no one is talking about it. I don't need the camera stuff since I'm retro fitting it into an ae86.

Bw3sty 03-25-2020 07:36 PM

Anybody ever find out more about this? Thinking about just pulling the trigger and purchasing a 2020 unit through the stealership

reh8388 03-29-2020 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bw3sty (Post 3312770)
Anybody ever find out more about this? Thinking about just pulling the trigger and purchasing a 2020 unit through the stealership

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=10

Confirmed the connectors are the same. I am likely going to be ordering a new unit from the dealer soon as the used market does not seem to be nearly as prevelant as previous years.

Irace86.2.0 03-29-2020 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bw3sty (Post 3312770)
Anybody ever find out more about this? Thinking about just pulling the trigger and purchasing a 2020 unit through the stealership

Quote:

Originally Posted by reh8388 (Post 3314341)
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=10

Confirmed the connectors are the same. I am likely going to be ordering a new unit from the dealer soon as the used market does not seem to be nearly as prevelant as previous years.

Did you see the price for the last model HU?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=24

You are saying you guys can't find something better for that price?

Most of the cost is probably in the navigation system, which, if you us AA or ACP, then is really not necessary.

The Kenwood unit I have is 200mm, is capacitive touch, has an HD screen, has bluetooth ACP/AA and/or wired, is plug and play, has a CD/DVD player (DVD doesn't work unless you are from the right time zone), has the ability to integrate the Kenwood dash cams to the HU interface, can run multiple other sensors and back up cameras, is custimizable for sound and appearance, can integrated OEM steering wheel controls and antenna and USBs, etc, etc.

I mean, if you want to spend three times the price then it is your prerogative.

Bw3sty 03-29-2020 07:47 PM

Yeah I’m willing to pay so that the main focal point inside the car looks solid. Just an aesthetic preference thing, not a performance for the money thing.

Bw3sty 03-29-2020 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reh8388 (Post 3314341)
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=10

Confirmed the connectors are the same. I am likely going to be ordering a new unit from the dealer soon as the used market does not seem to be nearly as prevelant as previous years.

Keep us posted. I’d definitely do the same. How did you confirm the connectors?

Irace86.2.0 03-29-2020 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bw3sty (Post 3314455)
Yeah I’m willing to pay so that the main focal point inside the car looks solid. Just an aesthetic preference thing, not a performance for the money thing.

Most reviews I have read say the different headunits looks like aftermarket units.

My Kenwood unit:

https://i.imgur.com/U9qPHrn.jpg
https://www.kenwood.com/asia/car/vis...productstd.png


BRZ and 86 units:

https://www.subaru.com/content/dam/s...feature_09.jpg
https://www.toyota.com/imgix/respons...&auto=compress

Irace86.2.0 03-29-2020 09:11 PM

The 86's headunit looks a lot like the Pioneer unit, just in case you change your mind, but want something similar:

https://pioneer-2032.kxcdn.com/wp-co...A1-800x570.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0632b0b186.jpg

reh8388 03-30-2020 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3314423)
Did you see the price for the last model HU?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=24

You are saying you guys can't find something better for that price?

Most of the cost is probably in the navigation system, which, if you us AA or ACP, then is really not necessary.

The Kenwood unit I have is 200mm, is capacitive touch, has an HD screen, has bluetooth ACP/AA and/or wired, is plug and play, has a CD/DVD player (DVD doesn't work unless you are from the right time zone), has the ability to integrate the Kenwood dash cams to the HU interface, can run multiple other sensors and back up cameras, is custimizable for sound and appearance, can integrated OEM steering wheel controls and antenna and USBs, etc, etc.

I mean, if you want to spend three times the price then it is your prerogative.

While I appreciate your concern for my wallet the new radio can be purchased for $724 which last I checked is about the same as the Kenwood radio you have mentioned. The Pioneer you showed can be had for less but ultimately both of those radios have to be ordered from outside the US through what I would consider non-standard sources. There are tons of people with great success stories using the Kenwood and the Pioneer you have shown both on this forum and the FJ Cruiser forum (same silly 200mm opening) but I prefer to go with an OEM solution that has been through Toyota's testing standards.

Irace86.2.0 03-30-2020 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reh8388 (Post 3314662)
While I appreciate your concern for my wallet the new radio can be purchased for $724 which last I checked is about the same as the Kenwood radio you have mentioned. The Pioneer you showed can be had for less but ultimately both of those radios have to be ordered from outside the US through what I would consider non-standard sources. There are tons of people with great success stories using the Kenwood and the Pioneer you have shown both on this forum and the FJ Cruiser forum (same silly 200mm opening) but I prefer to go with an OEM solution that has been through Toyota's testing standards.

$724??? That is much better than the $2200, which is what I saw online for the old models. Care to share the link for everyone?

reh8388 03-30-2020 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3314722)
$724??? That is much better than the $2200, which is what I saw online for the old models. Care to share the link for everyone?

A google search for the part number PT2961819020 will get you several options to choose from. McGeorge Toyota is my normal go to and is $724 but I see one site is $711. McGeorge and a few others do not have the correct image however the other thread I linked previously confirms it is the right part number though including FCC documents and a Toyota installation manual.

Irace86.2.0 03-30-2020 03:33 PM

Oh never mind, I didn't realize it doesn't come with navigation (only AA and ACP). That is why it is much cheaper. It looks like it might be capacitive touch versus resistive touch, but I couldn't tell for sure. I also couldn't find out if ACP and AA work off bluetooth. Maybe you can post up that info once you install the headunit.

Ernest72 04-14-2020 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reh8388 (Post 3314662)
While I appreciate your concern for my wallet the new radio can be purchased for $724 which last I checked is about the same as the Kenwood radio you have mentioned. The Pioneer you showed can be had for less but ultimately both of those radios have to be ordered from outside the US through what I would consider non-standard sources. There are tons of people with great success stories using the Kenwood and the Pioneer you have shown both on this forum and the FJ Cruiser forum (same silly 200mm opening) but I prefer to go with an OEM solution that has been through Toyota's testing standards.

Just wait. A used one will pop up for cheap soon enough.

Tcoat 04-17-2020 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ernest72 (Post 3319786)
Just wait. A used one will pop up for cheap soon enough.

I will probably give the damned thing away if I can't find a way to use the amp. They bypass the whole woofer amp system and just run the door speakers through the same feed as the dash ones. This results in a nice underpowered tinny sound from what are supposed to be amped woofers. Since the phone works through the door speakers the best you can get is a whisper volume even cranked u to 30. All in all this system was never meant for these cars and their work around totally sucks. If anybody can find a way to make them actually work I would love to hear it. Until then stay away. Stay far, far away.


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