Automobile mag first test of FR-S
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...13_scion_fr_s/
Found it great on the track, "not quite so great" on the road. Interesting quotes: "The suspension is just firm enough to do its job without ever being harsh, and it's noticeably firmer than the Subaru's. " "A beginner driver might have an easier time controlling the Subaru at the limit -- more experienced drivers might prefer the Scion. As the near-identical performance numbers show, neither has a clear performance advantage -- it's all about the feel. The Scion offers the best balance of any sports car within three times its price. " |
Automobile Magazine Review
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...13_scion_fr_s/
There is one very important part of this review. At 6.2 and 6.4 seconds to 60 mph, these cars are certainly quick enough when giving their all. The problem is what happens when they’re not flat out. Remember the original Porsche Boxster? Its horsepower number (201) and weight (about 2750 lb) were virtually identical to the BRZ/FR-S twins, and it did 0-60 in the same amount of time -- 6.3 seconds. There was one crucial difference though: the newcars make do with a maximum of 151 lb-ft of torque. The Boxster’s 2.5-liter flat-six produced 180. That extra nearly 30 lb-ft of torque went a long, long way towards making the Boxster feel quick in normal driving. Read more: http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews...#ixzz1t61qjm00 |
torque comparison is useless w/o actually seeing the torque curves.
as we all know, the brz puts out about 95% of its peak torque at about 2.5k rpm. |
I'd rather have 85% of 180 lb-ft at 2500rpm than 95% of 151 lb-ft...
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Actually it looks like they both have about the same torque at 2500RPM, then the Boxster has more everywhere else. This is also crank power vs. wheel power so the BRZ probably has a bit of an edge at lower RPMS.
http://www.awe-tuning.com/media/dyno...aust_crank.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...rcent+loss.png |
Wow, this guy is saying exactly what I've been saying. If the engine just made another 30 lb-ft of torque, it would be satisfying enough for all conditions.
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while I'm not sure the whole dip can be removed, lets see what the tuning guys do first before passing judgement. OEM ECU tuning is often emissions first, economy second and power third. If you willing to toss aside emissions and economy (and I'm talking marginally here) there may be some more mid range power to gain. Not a guarantee there is more to be gained, but there are things that limit the manufacturers.
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Again, 2L vs 2.5L & H4 vs H6... seriously |
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Even they minimal increase in weight and price, but are you willing to loose the redline? It'll go through same thing as EJ engine, F20 (F22) engine. By gaining something, you loose something. It's not simple win-win equation here |
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Plus driving Honda's all of my life I'm more than comfortable with powerbands like this. Heck people still think the S2000 is slow, even though it's a high to mid 5 second car 0-60. So I'm not surprised people are wanting more power, but I honestly think too many of us are wanting more power, just for the sake of wanting more power. |
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