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Jamestl 11-15-2018 03:57 PM

Pedders Top Hat w/ Camber & Caster Offset - Anyone with experience?
 
I came across the product below randomly and contacted them about the amount of camber this can add (ceteris paribus) and they said it was about 0.75. In addition they say the mount is designed to be stiffer than stock. Has anyone had experience with these? Curious as to any product feedback as I couldn't find anything, for our platform or the WRX...

https://pedders.com/collections/all/...-camber-caster

FirstWinter 11-15-2018 04:03 PM

I would just go with camber bolts. A much more affordable and simple (regarding install) solution.

Jamestl 11-15-2018 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstWinter (Post 3155422)
I would just go with camber bolts. A much more affordable and simple (regarding install) solution.

Agreed if you're going from zero to 2.x. But if you're trying to land in the 3.x range, camber bolts along ain't gonna do it.

wparsons 11-15-2018 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamestl (Post 3155423)
Agreed if you're going from zero to 2.x. But if you're trying to land in the 3.x range, camber bolts along ain't gonna do it.


Depends on the bolts used, and shocks. On my KW V3's, with SPC lobed bolts in the lower holes and the stock lower bolts in the upper holes I hit -3.8* maxed out (dialed back to -3.2* using the bottom bolts). The KW upper holes are slotted, but I don't know how much the slotting gives alone. I would think you would be in the 2.75* range with the bolt combination I have and non-slotted struts.



Camber added at the knuckle is more favorable from a geometry perspective as well.

Leonardo 11-15-2018 04:55 PM

This is with 2 set of camber bolts. I believe its -3 or more... Only other suspension mod is 1" drop springs. (in this pic)

https://i.imgflip.com/2mo6ha.jpg

FirstWinter 11-15-2018 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3155438)
This is with 2 set of camber bolts. I believe its -3 or more... Only other suspension mod is 1" drop springs. (in this pic)

https://i.imgflip.com/2mo6ha.jpg

Lowering helps tremendously. Otherwise with the camber bolts alone you won't be able to achieve that much from my experience.

Leonardo 11-15-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FirstWinter (Post 3155443)
Lowering helps tremendously. Otherwise with the camber bolts alone you won't be able to achieve that much from my experience.


Um, You don't get camber in the front from lowering, only in the rear.


With Eibach Pro Kit springs I got -1.8 and -2.2 of natural camber in the rear.


I was able to achieve the amount above with 4 camber bolts. I only drove 50 miles with the setup above, did not get an alignment, so don't have hard numbers of what the camber is...


Now, I'm just running one set in the bottom hole, with the lower bolt in the upper hole on me new FA500 coils w/top hats.

Jamestl 11-15-2018 06:11 PM

Using both top and bottom holes I maxed out at 2.7 on stock dampers. With B8 and Tarmac springs I got to 3.1. However, I'm still wearing the outside of my tires by a decent amount (varying pressures at the track). One solution is obv to get camber plates, but those aren't cheap and may be more than I need. Another solution is to swap tires, but it's 20 bucks a tire and it can add up over time. I'm reasonably happy with the suspension set up for now, so don't plan on swapping for coilovers.

I've never seen these before so just trying to figure out if anyone has real experience.

wparsons 11-15-2018 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3155444)
Um, You don't get camber in the front from lowering, only in the rear.


This ^^


At about 1.25" lower I actually lost camber under compression. When the car was on the alignment rack I'd lose about 0.1 to 0.2 degrees at the left front wheel when is sat down in the car compared to without my weight in the car. Yay mac struts :( Definitely need roll center adjusters for next year.

Leonardo 11-15-2018 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wparsons (Post 3155490)
This ^^


Definitely need roll center adjusters for next year.

I just installed a roll center kit. It made the car feel "new" again. I would suggest installing one. I got the Whiteline kit.

FirstWinter 11-16-2018 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3155444)
Um, You don't get camber in the front from lowering, only in the rear.

How did I forget that :bonk: brain fart

Jamestl 11-16-2018 09:59 AM

So... any experience with the top hats anyone? :)

ZionsWrath 11-16-2018 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamestl (Post 3155633)
So... any experience with the top hats anyone? :)

It's probably fine and it's cheap. If you do your own labor.

Would be a nice purchase tonhave fun with your car and provide some feedback to the community. :)

Summerwolf 11-16-2018 10:45 AM

If it were me.... I would go with a quality adjustable piece over an offset mount.

I dont know if pedders as a company has improved overall, but they had a very rough patch for a while, bankrupt in the USA, and just look into the rebadging / markup controversy.


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