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Registry Thread: Failure After J02 Recall
Proposing we leave an entry here for reference. This is not an argument thread about whether or not you should have participated in a voluntary recall, this is to document that your failure occured using a simple template. Please refrain from calling out your specific dealership. So far, spun rod bearings seem to be the most prevalent catastrophic engine failure.
Vehicle Mileage: Vehicle Make: Mileage After Recall Performed: Symptom(s): Failure: State: Is Dealership Offering Repair: A discussion thread had been opened here - https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show....php?p=3192939 Please feel free to vent and discuss your experience so far in this thread. TheDrive has posted an article as well, you can find it here - http://www.thedrive.com/news/26848/s...-their-engines Jalopnik has also posted an article, you can find it here - https://jalopnik.com/scion-fr-s-and-...ast-1833220101 https://tinyurl.com/y2hy5kx4 This is a spreadsheet created by @tanner - simplified view of failures that have occured |
Spun #3 rod bearing
Mileage: 45000 Vehicle make: Scion Mileage after J02 recall: 80 State: Mo Dealership offering repair: Toyota replaced short block as part of goodwill powertrain warranty (vehicle in warranty by mileage but out by dates by 5 months) customer stuck with labor to install new short block. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Oil starved entire crank area, main and rod bearings scored, crank seized
Vehicle Mileage: ~71000 Vehicle Make: Scion Mileage After Recall Performed: 4xx Symptom(s): Cruising down the highway, sudden lurch from the engine, clutched in and pulled over immediately, engine does not turn over after Failure: all Main and Rod bearings State: PA Dealership Offering Repair: Under investigation |
Vehicle Mileage: 53,610
Vehicle Make: Scion Mileage After Recall Performed: 413 Symptom(s): Sudden onset of ticking that turned into heavy engine knocking within seconds. Failure: Rod bearing State: Vermont Dealership Offering Repair: after 31 emails and 54 phone calls, they have agreed suddenly to repair my engine. Parts have 12mo warranty. Dealership said I'll get the invoice for all parts replaced when everything is done. https://i.imgur.com/JGlUhw3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/BiXWi6P.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ofT0q1W.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8MQoUbe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/yNbzWVe.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PFxhSpb.jpg |
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130,918 as of 19 Feb 2019 Vehicle Make: FR-S Mileage After Recall Performed: 130,634 as of 12 Feb 2019 Symptom(s): Ticking, knocking, grinding, low performance. Failure: #4 Cylinder Rod Bearing Spun. State: California Dealership Offering Repair: Toyota of Santa Cruz says this isn't the result of the Service Recall that was performed. Quoted $7.5k for used engine w/ 1-year warranty or $8.5k for new short block. UPDATE: 03/04/2019 Dealership says tech found the ecu codes were recently deleted when they took the car from me. I told them I don't know what's going on. They say, based on that, they are not paying. I'm screwed. |
Vehicle Mileage: 80000km
Vehicle Make: Scion Mileage After Recall Performed: <120km Symptom(s): Brief high pitched sound on cold starts Failure: Knocking and power loss, engine shut off on the road State:ON Dealership Offering Repair: under investigation |
I'm surprised and somewhat relieved to find that I'm not the only one. :(
I thought it was coincidence until I found this thread. Vehicle Mileage: ~74000 Vehicle Make: 2013 Scion FR-S Mileage After Recall Performed: ~500 Symptom(s): Knocking/Clacking noises and stall Failure: Not determined State: OR Dealership Offering Repair: Dealer offered to source another short block |
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This does not bode well for my existing mistrust
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=854 |
This is now, officially, my least favorite thread ever. As one who had the recall done about 250 miles ago, I am now, officially, scared out of my mind. Thanks for nothing... :)
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Hard to fake taking an engine out. I don’t think anyone would be dumb enough to fake a federal recall. Techs work on cars for a living. Some (actually very few) push the limits. No one wants to get fired. If you get fired you don’t get paid at all. |
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I'm convinced they won't even do the work. I'm going to ask the tech to take a photo of the head or engine removed and send it to me. I'll mark the cowl so I know the pic is from my car
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A failed valve spring does not take out bearings. Best case you don’t even notice, middle of the road you have a misfire on the failed cylinder, worst case the valve drops and seizes the engine. None of those involve the rod or main bearings. The mode of failure from bad springs to these blown engines is completely different. If the work wasn’t even done the engines wouldn’t be blowing up. |
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Vehicle mileage: 84.5k mi
Vehicle make: Scion Vehicle mileage after recall: ~200mi Symptoms: intermittent failure to start, hiccup/hesitation at certain rpm range, stalling on interstate Failure: not applicable (yet?) State: Arkansas (Landers Toyota) Dealer offering repair: unknown I got it home and an hour later it would crank, fire, then immediately die. I quit after about 10 tries and resetting the ECU. About an hour later, I went to make a video to send to a friend (who works at the dealership) and it started right up. The next morning I drove it 2.5mi into town. Car ran fine. On the way home, with the cruise set at 80 (3500rpm in 6th), it hiccuped/bogged/hesitated a couple of times, then started to almost non stop. I pulled into the breakdown lane and was coasting, cruise control disengaged and I tried to give it some gas since it was slowing and it didn't respond at all. As I was coasting down the next exit, the car died. I restarted it at the end of the ramp, it died. I eventually limped it into a parking lot and had my laptop with me, so I pulled the codes (CEL came on when the car stalled, but didn't at any time before). The code was P1235, High Pressure Fuel Pump Circuit. I limped it home. The next day I took it out and was datalogging. Around 3500rpm it seemed to be hitting fuel cut (Fuel Inj #1 pulse width, injection time direct final, injection time port final, and PI injector duty all dropped to 0!!), independent of gear or engine load. The CEL had reset from the car running "ok" for a few startups. I made an appointment to take it back to the dealer. Being that the tech broke the connector on the passenger side exhaust oil control valve/variable valve timing solenoid when my recall was being performed, and I had to wait an additional 4-5 weeks for them to get one in, I figured I would check some connections. Being that the car was intermittently having issues I was thinking it was a short. I disconnected and blew air on all of the connectors for the high pressure/direct injector control unit (small box with 4 connectors mounted to the passenger side engine bracket), looking for a bent pin or damaged wire. Then I checked the 3 mounting bolts, they were snug, but not tight. I tightened them. Sounds trivial, but the DICU (idk its proper abbreviated name) grounds to the bracket with the bolts. Then I reset the ECU (disconnect negative terminal from battery. Drain electricity with brakes/dome light etc), and reset the trouble codes (I did see a U0100 before I reset it which is a communication error). I have driven the car for 2 days now (~100mi), numerous WOT pulls through multiple gears, cruise at 80mph just like before etc... and it has been running perfectly. I'm not sure I'm "in the clear" yet, but the car has been fine since I looked into it. |
Vehicle Mileage: 115853
Vehicle Make: FR-S Mileage After Recall Performed: 112000 ish Symptom(s): CEL and Slip Indicator Light on; sluggish throttle response and strange AT transmission gear selection (down shifting early) Failure: P0011 Bank 1 Intake Camshaft Position Timing was advanced beyond limits of a predetermined period of time State: Van York Toyota High Point NC Dealership Offering Repair:tbd This after they took two weeks for the initial valve safety recall. Going in to see what the reaction of the service department will be this morning. Update: they changed the oil - ran test mode for five minutes - no new CEL issues - changed oil again & told me to be back at 5000 for another oil change & evaluation |
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Vehicle Mileage: ~105xxx
Vehicle Make: Scion Mileage After Recall Performed: ~500 Symptom(s): About 30 minutes into driving the same day I picked up my car after the recall service was preformed my check engine and slight light came on. Car was driving sluggish in the higher rpms. Brought it back and turned out to be a bad oil control valve. Got my car again and drove it for about two weeks. One day driving home on the highway I downshifted from 6th to 5th and hear this huge clanking noise. As I was pulling over the car slowly dies on the side on the highway. Couldn’t get it to start so I called a tow. As I was waiting I tried to start it and it turned over but there was a very loud knock coming from the motor. Immediately shut it off and that was the end of that. Failure: Complete engine failure (spun rod bearing) State: NY Dealership Offering Repair: Yes, my service advisor told me whatever happened to my engine was catastrophic and that I did have a spun rod bearing as I predicted prior to talking with him before. They explained how they couldn’t relate my engine failure with the recall service but the the incident was so close to when I had my car serviced that Toyota offered me a new short block with installation as well as a loaner for the time being (~3-4 weeks) |
Failure After J02 Recall: Registry Thread
Add me to the list.
67k miles. Scion FRS Drove 33 miles and then parked it for 2 days. Went to start it and it starts and immediately dies. Throttle pedal results in nothing. Did this 5-7 times and then towed to the dealership Hopefully the figure it out and cover my tow. Dealer claims it’s related to a service bulletin for high pressure fuel pump and a reflash fixed it right up. I should pick it back up tomorrow. |
Vehicle Mileage: 94k
Vehicle Make: brz Mileage After Recall Performed: 400 miles Symptom(s): knocking and fast ticks. Car struggles to start up. Check and alip light on p0016. Failure:tbd State:ct Dealership Offering repair: tbd https://m.facebook.com/groups/334152...=group_comment |
Vehicle Mileage:120k
Vehicle Make: frs Mileage After Recall Performed: under 100, returned to dealer after J02 recall for oil leak, replaced engine gasket, rod knock next morning after picking it up. Symptom(s): rod knock on cold start and when slowing down in gear Failure:rod bearings State:va Dealership Offering Repair: waiting for a call from GM to set something. I took it to a shop who knows what they are doing to get it diagnosed. The tech said it probably came from the Toyota dealer tech not disconnecting the fuel and crank it dry to lubricate the engine, before firing it up. |
Vehicle Mileage: 124,361
Vehicle Make: BRZ Mileage After Recall Performed: roughly 200 Symptom(s): loud ticking on left side of engine, different weird noise on right side. Also tech broke manifold decroative cover Failure:tbd State:PA Dealership Offering Repair:Recall done at Calkins, going to take it back after work. I was at my usual mechanic trying to find the location of a squeak when turning the wheel right at speeds below 5mph when I noticed the manifold cover was loose. When I took it off the front snap was broken and someone trying to glue it back together. Also noticed that there were two different sides froming from different sides of the block. The left side was a ticking noise he said sounded like valve knock, the other side was a noise I hadn't heard before. Car seems to drive fine, but when its cold it is sluggish compared to before I took it in. After reading this thread I'm both scared and upset about what might happen. |
Vehicle Mileage: 64K
Vehicle Make: Scion Mileage After Recall Performed: 200ish? not entire certain Symptom(s): New and weird clacking/engine noises, oil leak from "cam ladder" according to the tech Failure: Dealership hasn't been entirely clear, but it sounds like some kind of oil starvation issue State: NC Dealership Offering Repair: Currently offering me engine replacement with either a used motor from LKQ or a new shortblock, at no cost to me. Feeling pretty gutted right now, got the call that the engine was done for last night. It feels super shitty, but I'm considering taking this opportunity to exit the platform and pursue an aggressive trade in deal through the dealer, "you broke it you buy it" kind of thing. I don't really want to have to deal with trying to potentially sell the car down the line after a bunch of major engine work... |
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Vehicle Mileage: 67k km
Vehicle Make: Scion/Toyota Mileage After Recall Performed: 390km Symptom(s): Couldnt start it, thought it was the battery. Boosted it. Then knocking faintly, then became louder and louder, loss of power, engine shutdown. No engine check, no oil light, temp meter normal (half way). Failure: TBD, Dealer removed the engine but didn't investigate further. State: Dead Is Dealership Offering Repair: TBD, they are now waiting to talk with Toyota Corporate. Dealership: Toyota Spinelli Pointe-Claire, Montreal, QC, Canada. Update on 14-03-2019: Dealer said Toyota Corp asked them to remove the oil pan and take pictures of the oil, and the pickup screen. I asked to have the pictures, they said "yes, np" but didn't send them my way (that was yesterday). Update on 15-03-2019: Dealer finally sent a picture of the oil pickup screen. Update on 18-03-2019: Dealer is offering a replacement short block with a 3 month and 5000km warranty... They still haven't opened the engine to know the extent of the failure. Update on 26-03-2019: I double checked my extended warranty, It expires April 9th 2020. For some reason, the dealer didn't know I had an extended warranty. They still haven't opened the engine, but seem to be keen on changing the block.. I'm talking to them to have them do a thorough analysis of the rest of the engine before doing anything. It's been 3 weeks without a car (no loaner from the dealer). Update on 14-05-2019: The dealer replaced the block, camshafts and valves, and built the engine. It took about 2 months. I have been driving the car, it feels good so far. 900km after, it is still going good. It feels like the car is making less noise than before the recall. All i can hear now is the noise from the valves, and the idle is quite nicer. Hopefully it stays the same. |
Vehicle Mileage: 93300 km
Vehicle Make: 2013 Scion Frs Mileage After Recall Performed: 20 Km Symptom(s): Loud knock, power loss, engine idle dip Failure: spun bearing #2 State: At dealer for 2 weeks, not drivable Is Dealership Offering Repair: yes, contacting Toyota Japan for potential repair. Looking at recall for 2013 motors. |
Vehicle Mileage: 71,070
Vehicle Make: Scion Mileage After Recall Performed: 71,640 Symptom(s): Rough starts, lots of white exhaust during enriched warmup cycle, backfire, hesitation, greatly reduced power in low ends of gears. No visible oil on dipstick when checked 500 miles after recall. Failure: TBD State:NY Is Dealership Offering Repair: Dropped off at dealer 3/8/19; requested pics of timing cover sealant, oil pan, pickup, and screen upon disassemly. Update 3/11/19 - Dealer texted saying started work today and will keep me updated. Update 3/12/19 - Service manager called to get my authorization for full tear down, described as standard procedure in "these cases." Said I would be liable financially only if they found no issues at all, but he assured me that wouldn't be the case. I gave it. He also assured me that he is planning on doing a full long-block replacement. Currently not able to provide a loaner car, but may be able to tomorrow once he gets approval from corporate. Being without a loaner since 3/8 doesn't sit well with me, but in every other respect my service manager has been great to work with throughout this mess and previously. Will continue to update. Update 3/15/19 - Dealership confirms inspector approved full engine replacement; new short block, new heads, new cams, etc. Said worn rings sent metal through engine, wearing bearings, cam, rods, journals, etc. Declined to say what caused that. Said severe smoking upon start caused by overfilling engine oil, which collected in the heads. Will be about four weeks until parts are available and will provide a loaner. |
Im from Chicago but I go to school in Iowa so I drive my car back and forth between there, its about a three hour drive. I took my car in at the beginning of the year and the dealer ship requested extra time to do the repair(approx a week instead of the typical three days. so they can go slow.) I said sure no big deal. well, I ended up having to take the loaner car back to school because the dealer took about two weeks to finish. I drove back on a Monday morning to pick up the car and then drive back to school the same day. on my way back about two hours into the drive my motor. blew. according to the dealer. a piece of metal from the valve cover broke free, shot threw the valve cover and all the oil leaked out onto the side of my car. the dealer shipped the car back to Chicago. PULLED THE MOTOR and installed a new valve cover to "confirm rod knock"( it took two weeks. just for the valve cover to come in). they had told me if the valve cover didn't work they would order me a brand new motor and swap it in. well that wasn't true. currently it's been two months, the car still has no motor. I still have a rental and they are still waiting on a short block and some other parts
Vehicle Mileage: ~35K Vehicle Make: 2013 Scion FR-S Mileage After Recall Performed: ~>200 Symptom(s): spun bearing/ rod knock Failure: hole in valve cover State: IL Dealership Offering Repair: Dealer offered to source another short block and some. other necessary parts |
Hi All,
Does this recall apply to all 2013 FRS's? I had mine at the dealership in January for an oil change and they checked and said there weren't any recalls. Just checked online and it's saying there aren't any recalls for it... It's 2013 FRS 10 Series It wouldn't surprise me a bit if there was a recall and they blew it off to avoid the work. |
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It's only a select couple months of the '13 production run.
A specific lot of valve springs were installed then. The rest of the year got a different lot of springs that meet all the specs. So, no. Not all '13 models are affected. |
Got it, that'd be why mines not on there.
Thanks for the response fellas! |
LOL, this thread made the autoblogosphere
http://www.thedrive.com/news/26848/s...-their-engines |
Vehicle Mileage: ~60k kms
Vehicle Make: 2013 Scion FR-S Mileage After Recall Performed: ~500 kms Symptom(s): car will not start (dash is dead the only light that will come on is the door, not even the parking brake light. All accessories function normally) So far has hindered the car 3 minutes to one hour randomly. Slight drop in power at seemingly random intervals Failure: unknown State: AB Dealership Offering Repair: Will bring car to them after I finish working out of town (assuming car starts and takes me home) Well I am glad I am not the only one having issues after the recall was done. This is frustrating. |
Vehicle Mileage: 75k miles
Vehicle Make: 2013 Scion FR-S Mileage After Recall Performed: 75k, maybe 200miles after service. Symptom(s): loss of power, knocking, and stalling. Failure: spun rod bearings State:TX Is Dealership Offering Repair: At independent mechanic for tear down. Going to need short block. Have not taken it dealer yet. |
2013 FR-S engine seized
Vehicle Mileage: approx 132,000km
Vehicle Make: Scion Mileage After Recall Performed: approx 250km Symptom(s): After the recall was performed I had returned the car to the dealership to correct an oil leak. When the technician took the car on a test drive the engine stalled and would not start. The dealer towed the car back and could not spin the engine. Failure: The dealer told me they think it was a bottom end failure. They found metal shavings in the pan. The heads have no damage. State: Ontario, Canada Is Dealership Offering Repair: Yes, Toyota Canada is providing a new short block |
NOTE: I went to a SUBARU dealership for the recall.
Vehicle Mileage: 75k Vehicle Make: Subaru BRZ Mileage After Recall Performed: 75.5k Symptom(s): Engine Knock, loss of power, car dies when throttle is not depressed Failure: Bent Rod State: Currently in Subaru dealership Is Dealership Offering Repair: After taking pictures, Subaru dealership mechanics were able to determine the paint on valve springs choked the engine and are replacing the short block. |
Vehicle mileage: 37,000
Vehicle make: Scion FRS - A/T + Turbo Vehicle mileage after recall: ~300 Symptoms: RPMs Revving high when shifting gears and ultimately motor blew with a massive hole. Failure: Threw a rod, but I still need to dissect the engine to really see what’s going on. State: Las Vegas, Nevada - Autonation Toyota Dealer offering repair: Said they’d inspect it, but the Service Manager told me I had a 99% chance I’d have to come out of pocket to fix because I’m boosted.. So I didn’t bring it back to them in fear I’d be down another few grand. |
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