Originally Posted by Ralph Spoilsport (Post 1484128)

No. Just no.

If you guys want to play with a nitrous shot equivalent, that's fine by me. But this is a pretty interesting thread and I would love it to stay focused on getting to higher power at a "near to or better than OEM" level of drivability and longevity.

Originally Posted by 1086 (Post 1484125)

@CSG Mike - I don't want to go totally off topic, so this is directly just towards you. I currently have the OFT, if I were to go with a supercharger, and I got custom tuning through Shiv, would that still work? It should right? Or is EcuTek mandatory despite the fact I am focusing on a DD spec.

Originally Posted by 1086 (Post 1483527)

what is it that we noobs need to know to make us confident in our upgrade decision

Originally Posted by tendogy (Post 1480155)

Compromise #1:

Literally half the intercooler is obscured by the bumper. Why else do you think all the shops are posting pictures with the bumper cover + reinforcement missing?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ps2aefef73.jpg

I count 16 horizontal rows on the intercooler. Here's Greddy's shot with the bumper reinforcement attached:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aZFqF4jXys.../03_FRS_ic.jpg

Now only 8 rows are visible. That does not even include the bumper cover. You'll maybe have 6 or 7 rows getting active airflow with the stock bumper cover.

Compromise #2

The bumper reinforcement is gutted of all its structural integrity.

http://i.imgur.com/M3e2xwN.png

Not sure what the bumper reinforcement is good for? Take a gander at this:

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/esv.../07-0105-O.pdf

TL: DR?

See the blue pieces here? These are the structural pieces to distribute load in a frontal crash.

http://i.imgur.com/PQu9hwY.png

The "bumper reinforcement" is the structural piece that connects the driver's side rails to the passenger's side rails. It needs to be strong so that it can distribute the energy of a crash across both structural rails of your car. When the "bumper reinforcement" front beam fails, the energy goes into your power train instead and your girlfriend winds up with an engine in her lap.

Front beam doing its job:

http://i.imgur.com/ieFR9UW.png

Front beam failing at its job:

http://i.imgur.com/fCjFCxx.png

When you gouge the bumper reinforcement to make room for this intercooler, you are turning a structural C-Beam into a thin piece of steel and destroying your car's ability to distribute frontal crash loads.

It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are if an SUV takes a blind turn right in front of you. AMHIK.

Cut that beam at your own risk. Yes that applies to FA20Club kits too.

Originally Posted by Ralph Spoilsport (Post 1484128)

No. Just no.

If you guys want to play with a nitrous shot equivalent, that's fine by me. But this is a pretty interesting thread and I would love it to stay focused on getting to higher power at a "near to or better than OEM" level of drivability and longevity.

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 1484685)

Don't dish unless you know. We have hit 223 hp at 6500 rpm with 202 tq at 3200 rpm on e85 and a catback exhaust system. And thats with the lower end setup. Im sure we will hit 250 eventually. Shiv will probably be posting numbers eventually with the oft header and phantom esc. And I know Im only out $2200 for the FI setup (not including exhaust) $2900 with the exhaust.

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi (Post 1484696)

dude its still :barf:


http://s7.postimg.org/mbenufdtn/when...eaf_blower.jpg

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 1484701)

:laughabove: You are in Riverside... come on down to San Diego. Then make judgements.

Originally Posted by SmsAlSuwaidi (Post 1484705)

i will be there soon for Bill@delicoustuning to tune my car, maybe i can take you for a spin in it too to make you realize what a real fi setup might do :iono:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 1484715)

I'm not saying its going to compete with 8-12 psi system thats ridiculous to say. But bang for your buck? I think its worth it. But I hate it when people quote comments about the system without really seeing what it does.

And hell yes Ill take a ride with you. I love all cars, and all tech. I'm not judgmental. :D

Originally Posted by Sojhinn (Post 1484685)

Don't dish unless you know. We have hit 223 hp at 6500 rpm with 202 tq at 3200 rpm on e85 and a catback exhaust system. And thats with the lower end setup. Im sure we will hit 250 eventually. Shiv will probably be posting numbers eventually with the oft header and phantom esc. And I know Im only out $2200 for the FI setup (not including exhaust) $2900 with the exhaust.

Heres a link to the dyno:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

Originally Posted by JDMenrique (Post 1484718)

You can get a tuned Kraftwerks SC kit for $5,000 or less, depending on the vendor. You CAN make $5k go a long way. The amount of "I think I know what I'm talking about" in this thread is laughable.

As for "installation costs", some of these kits are so ridiculously easy to install that if you can connect a socket to a ratchet you've done half the battle.